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Last Post 10/16/2007 2:02 AM by  Ray Hall
Competition in the roofing business
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Ray Hall
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10/13/2007 4:36 PM

    DFW area and Houston area have always had very good roofing contractors who made a living off regular local event like 50-60 MPH spring, fall or winter winds. Hail from pea size to quarter size. This was in the days of the HOB which had RCC.

    The salesmen were contingency paid. No new roof, no job and no pay. Most of the salemen were under 35 and could climb a roof like a mountain goat.The large companies would sent out 6-8 for a sub division and leave door hangers, then follow up with door knocking and tell the owners they would meet the adjuster on the roof and point out the damage. The contractors contract had a direction to make out a joint check with their name on the check when the job was completed, without any hold back. Needless to say if a real storm hit it was very good times. The work was first class with the fastest Mexican five man crews you have ever seen. One crew had the reputation of off and on of 60 sq roofs, clean up and gone in one working day. The rest were all in the 50-55 sq per day range.

    The best prospect was a very steep roof with a female adjuster or an old adjuster like myself or better still was the desk adjuster who did not come out but used the diagram, photos and contract  of the roofer to pay the loss. The salesman was always on the roof with the drawn circles when the adjuster arrived. Some of  the memorable meeting were working for non/sub standard carriers who wrote RCC and ACV only. I would agree with the sales man on the ACV only take 60 to 75% depreciation and a 1% deductible and have a net of $.0.

    To finish the story I saw a newscast on local TV that the largest"contingency" roofer in the Houston area lost his top five salesman who opened their own shop, took the best crews and clogged up the criminal and civil courts in Fort Bend County with litigation. But it seems the  DA and many of the judges are beholden to the old boss for deer, goose and duck leases, along with a few carriers. But of course all this will run it course and then we will have 5 more, good, fast, contingency roofing contractors. But the biggest fear I have is turning these roofing crews loose on US soil as roof estimators and photographers for these FICUS TREE adjusters.

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    10/14/2007 12:30 PM
    I think the roofing contracting business is much like the adjuster business these days. After the canes of 04 and 05 many people got in to it and made great money. now there is little work but the same amount of salesman. Im here in minnesota and several companies have 40 plus salesman. talk about competition.
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    10/14/2007 2:27 PM
    Posted By Nick Angelides on 10/14/2007 12:30 PM
    Im here in minnesota and several companies have 40 plus salesman. talk about competition.

     

    I've been here in MN as well for the past 4 months working and the amount of roofers up here is insane. At my hotel alone, it seems every other vehicle I see is a roofer from out of state. I really can't complain though, its these same roofers that are generating more business for the adjusters.
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    10/14/2007 4:12 PM
    yep, Minnesota is the new DFW.

    Im working in Sartell (a town of about 2,000 homes) and the building inspector said he has had permits pulled from over 100 different contractor since the storm.

    just as in the claims business, roofers would go in to an area expecting to sell 70+ jobs, now they are lucky to get 30. seems adjusters now get about 30 and then are sent home....

    rob, what do you think about the damage? from what i have seen in the cities it seems to be pretty light, but almost everything is getting bought either way. I am ready to head back home so i havent bothered to work the 8/13 storm or the 9/19 storm. i have just taken refferals.
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    10/14/2007 8:54 PM
    I'm also here in MN. Our company has about 9 people working for it and 5-8 jobs per week going on. The main problem I'm having is the damage is small and the fact that there are so many houses with the horizon shingle on them. I can't seem to get any staff adjuster from state farm to buy any of these roof even though there is hail damage in the non de laminated parts. I just came from the storm in Lexington ky. And had no issues with this at all. What are you guys experiencing?
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    Ray Hall
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    10/16/2007 2:02 AM

    What is the non delaminated part of the shingle ?

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