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Eagle View Measurements

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pastromquist
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06/30/2008 8:08 PM
Last week I inspected a loss in the Plymouth Minnesota area, it was an ugly measure, but i did it before I met the contractor who was standard late. I met the contractor who was bragging up the Eagle View Measurement deal. Having the roof measured, I had him send me the report to verify and it seemed really neat and a time saver. The picture I was sent was indeed a hard to measure hip roof but it wasn't the one I was on. Here is how I know, living in Minnesota all of my life there is about three neighborhoods that have canals that hold houses this size(not one of them nowhere near a lake or river). Also there was a pool in the back yard. I wonder if they think we are working so fast or don't care that we won't notice. Has anyone else ran across this?

katadj
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06/30/2008 8:27 PM
Yes, an adjuster friend in Texas, requested her home be viewed and measured. They did the wrong house, one three doors away. Then after confrontation they did it again, and missed her home by 20% in volume and also 2 other roofs. Would not touch this outfit with your ruler. IYGMM "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new... Albert Einstein"

pastromquist
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06/30/2008 9:16 PM
The above said contractor states that some of the larger venders are accepting these as scope notes on roofs. Could a lazier person take a few pictures and call it good?

Tom Toll
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07/01/2008 5:02 PM
You can go to Google Earth and print the layout of a roof for diagramming. It is difficult to identify the roof, so it does require a personal inspection to complete the roof measurements. I don't think the insurance industry is ready for eagle view. I personally would not pay $50.00 for their roof diagrams and measurement. In Google Earth you can use the ruler to measure the slopes, ridges, etc., but on the roof measuring is required. Nor all aerial views are good. If they are good, you can help yourself with the roof diagram, just make sure it is the right house. Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

Ray Hall

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08/02/2008 2:44 PM
I have always thought this could be done. Could it be possible Eagle View is "running over the roofs too fast". If so, just slow down and photograph the right house and give the right measurements for the fee you charge. Some roof thumpers do the same thing. "dont be a roof thumper" or a" muddler".

Ray Hall

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08/03/2008 10:31 AM
Just got a reply from an adjuster trying to work daily claims from home. USAA vendors are requiring the IA to open an account with Eagle View and pay about $40.00 per file fot the report which is accepted as "gospel". Did not mention the ITEL report. With the xmate lease and free milage you should clear enought to pay for a "whopper lunch"

superacidjax
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08/15/2008 11:51 PM
Maybe it's my inexperience, but is it really THAT hard to measure the damned roof? I wonder if this Eagle View can measure pitches? Now THAT would be noteworthly.

Tim_Johnson
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08/16/2008 7:33 AM
Travelers is letting their staff use this sytem on steep / high roofs. They do require the adjuster to go out and do a footprint measurement. Tim Johnson

Ray Hall

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08/18/2008 4:40 PM
Home builders and some roofers have contented for 40 years of you have the foot print and the pitch factors that adding 15% will always work on a steep cut up roof. It has worked for me. I have never had a turn back that I can remember.

Ray Hall

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08/18/2008 4:53 PM
Tim I will bet the health and welfare of their employees was the largest factor in this business decision. We were warned by our employers about the risk of very severe injury 50 years ago and was instructed to get as close as we could to it{roof}.

Ed The Roofer
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08/26/2008 11:19 PM
I gave Eagle View a tryout on a very difficult job I did 5 years ago, just so I could compare their measurement capabilties and they photo measured a home about 3 blocks away. It was a freebie test run, but they never did follow up to my comments to get the actual roof re-measured. Also, it does include pitch measurements and all perimeter, valley, hip and ridge lengths that can be observed from an overhead view, but no obstructed sections, obviously. A fellow in JLC Forums said I could obtain the measurements from SketchUp using their measuring tool. I also tried, iPhotMeasure.com which is now available as an SAAS online usage and re-named uPhoto.com but it took too long to outline the complex roof I tested with it. Both tools would be fantastic if they were verifiably accurate. Ed Please Stay Tuned For A Very Important Message From Our Sponsor http://www.rightwayroofingcompany.com/ www.rightwayroofingcompany.com Roof Estimates, Roof Repairs, Roofers, Roof Leak Help, Elgin, Carpentersville, East Dundee, West Dundee, Sleepy Hollow, Algonquin, South Elgin, Huntley, Lake In The Hills, Illinois

JimGary

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08/27/2008 8:33 PM
I had a chance to see a full report from Eagle view. A very large, cutup roof, with steep pitch. As long as the company agrees to it, looks like a usefull tool. JWG I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!

Ed The Roofer
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08/27/2008 9:32 PM
Was that a sample report from the EagleView Website, or an actual users view and measurement done for a real world job address? Ed Please Stay Tuned For A Very Important Message From Our Sponsor http://www.rightwayroofingcompany.com/ www.rightwayroofingcompany.com Roof Estimates, Roof Repairs, Roofers, Roof Leak Help, Elgin, Carpentersville, East Dundee, West Dundee, Sleepy Hollow, Algonquin, South Elgin, Huntley, Lake In The Hills, Illinois

pastromquist
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08/27/2008 11:10 PM
Like I said when I started this conversation, wrong house wrong state!! If a cat adjuster is in too much of a hurry to measure the pitch of a roof and the perimiter measurements...............Xact sketch will fill in the blanks. If you don't use Xact, Integra when I used it had a pretty good system. If that doesn't work, resort to good old fashioned Geometry. Like I said at first, I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread but now I've been offered it a few more times and don't want my name on anything I didn't measure. I can see a vendor or carrier buying into this but untill the technology can measure to the inch I personally am not a believer.

Ray Hall

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08/28/2008 8:59 AM
New tec. will always try to replace a visit. This tool is probably being used now on hail storms by inside staff adjusters. Many years ago the adjusters located all the large hail in the zip codes and had all the policy pulled then inspected. I have arrived many times and my manager said I have you in this area as its hit hard, or this is very light out here but we will pay you $100.00 per roof and you can do 15-20 per day. I think its great when the factory geak says I will take over your puter and fix it for you. This is progress.

Roy Estes

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09/11/2008 7:20 PM
Posted By Paul Stromquist on 06/30/2008 8:08 PM Last week I inspected a loss in the Plymouth Minnesota area, it was an ugly measure, but i did it before I met the contractor who was standard late. I met the contractor who was bragging up the Eagle View Measurement deal. Having the roof measured, I had him send me the report to verify and it seemed really neat and a time saver. The picture I was sent was indeed a hard to measure hip roof but it wasn't the one I was on. Here is how I know, living in Minnesota all of my life there is about three neighborhoods that have canals that hold houses this size(not one of them nowhere near a lake or river). Also there was a pool in the back yard. I wonder if they think we are working so fast or don't care that we won't notice. Has anyone else ran across this? Ha Ha, NEVER TRUST A CONTRACTORS ESTIMATE, Do your Own Estimating, I know of several Adjusters that utilize Contractors estimates. If we did Why Would we need Adjusters?? Reviewing Claims I see this all the time. Expecially with IA's (I never ever relied on a cg estimate or scope, unless I fast tracked the claim) Good Job Paul ..... You tha Man! "Each of us as human beings has a responsibility to reach out to help our brothers and sisters affected by disasters. One day it may be us or our loved ones needing someone to reach out and help." RC ESTES

Ed The Roofer
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09/11/2008 10:30 PM
Posted By Roy Estes on 09/11/2008 7:20 PM Ha Ha, NEVER TRUST A CONTRACTORS ESTIMATE, Do your Own Estimating, I know of several Adjusters that utilize Contractors estimates. If we did Why Would we need Adjusters?? Reviewing Claims I see this all the time. Expecially with IA's (I never ever relied on a cg estimate or scope, unless I fast tracked the claim) Good Job Paul ..... You tha Man! I am always on time for any appointment with adjusters, probably because I do not actually do that many Storm Claims, but only by referral. What I do find, is that many Staff Adjusters or Independants show up 1/2 hour to 1 hour early, which seems like an intentional attempt to miss the scheduled appointment with a contractor. I even tell the Home Owner to give me a call if they show up more than 1/2 hour early, because I plan on being there early, just in case, but only by 1/2 hour. No matter the pitch or difficulty of cut up sections, I always have my measurements done to the nearest inch from either a 100 foot or 35 foo tape measure. I will gladly provide a copy of my measurments to any adjuster, regardless if they prefer to physically measure the job or not. I always tell them, that if they are going to use my job diagram, they should at least confirm any 2-3 measurements to build up faith in my accuracy. I would tend to agree that most contractors estimates are counted tab guestimates instead though. It doesn't really matter though, because if you have 5 roofers measure the same job, no two will come up with the exact same square footage. I could also see, where a Storm Contractor specialist, would intentionally provide an over-measurement for a larger scale of work square footage as an easy way to manipulate the numbers, especially during a major cat claim area with lots of houses being damaged all at the same time. Rely on yourself for accuracy. So far, EagleView and the other one where they used to get their airiel shots from, called Pictometry, have room for dramatic improvement to be relied on continuosly and religiously. Ed Please Stay Tuned For A Very Important Message From Our Sponsor http://www.rightwayroofingcompany.com/ www.rightwayroofingcompany.com Roof Estimates, Roof Repairs, Roofers, Roof Leak Help, Elgin, Carpentersville, East Dundee, West Dundee, Sleepy Hollow, Algonquin, South Elgin, Huntley, Lake In The Hills, Illinois

pastromquist
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09/14/2008 3:54 PM
Thank you Roy, the problem we are having now is that the contractors are sending suppliments directly to the carrier rather than going through the proper channels. Reviewing claims, does this happen often? The last I heard, the Minneapolis Metro area has 2500 "storm restoration companies" most of whom you can agree on scope with, then they wait untill they think you are gone and file a suppliment request.

Tom Toll
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09/15/2008 5:38 PM
Google Earth will do the same thing as Eagleview. It also has a measuring tool so you can measure the roof. I tried in California on total losses to determine roof configuration and size of home and it works well. Unfortunatley, it is difficult to determine if it is the right home, so you gotta be careful there. Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

BobH

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03/04/2009 12:21 PM

I have seen contractors submit Eagle views, and on the files I reviewed they were the correct house and actually seemed pretty darn close to what the field adjuster measured. I have never used them myself, and was surprised yesterday when I was talking to a claims examiner for Allied that mentioned he used them if the roof was too steep for an adjuster to climb. I kinda felt like I was being cut out of a job.

Today Roy put a link to a news story on the home page. I underlined a comment that was interesting.
I will paste the info here in case the link changes:

EagleView and Xactware Team Up to Revolutionize Roof Dimensioning

WOODINVILLE, Wash. and OREM, Utah, March 2 /PRNewswire/ -- EagleView Technologies and Xactware Solutions, Inc. are teaming up to offer insurance adjusters, contractors, and roofers a streamlined method to quickly generate sketched roofs.

EagleView and Xactware announced a new technology integration that will allow Xactware customers to access EagleView's breakthrough roof measurement capabilities via XactAnalysis - the Property industry's foremost network for sending and receiving structural and contents estimates. The agreement will enable insurance adjusters and roofers to automatically create detailed roofs in Xactimate as part of the everyday claims process.

"We're excited to have our detailed roof measurement reports embedded into Xactimate," EagleView CEO Chris Barrow said. "Many of our current customers have been asking for this functionality. This will provide seamless access to our reports for insurance companies and adjusters who use the industry-leading Xactware product line."

Xactware users will be able to send measurement requests for a particular roof to EagleView from Xactimate. Using aerial photography and patent-pending software, EagleView accurately calculates measurements for the roof's ridges, rafters, valleys, slopes and more.

Xactware users can then take advantage of the new technology integration to electronically import the roof measurements into the Xactimate Sketch module and view the completed roof layout in both 2D and 3D. From there, users can graphically add shingles, ridge caps and other roofing material to the sketch. They can also graphically estimate costs to repair damages to complex roof structures.

The process saves contractors and roofers hours of time spent measuring and scoping a roof.

"This is the next logical step from Xactware as we continue to look for innovative ways to service the needs of our customers," said Jim Loveland , CEO of Xactware. "EagleView provides key technology for insurance adjusters and service providers using our products within the reconstruction and remodeling industries."

About EagleView Technologies

Headquartered in Woodville, Wash., EagleView Technologies, Inc. is the industry standard for aerial measurement services. EagleView invented the concept of measuring from the sky and developed its proprietary software (for which multiple patents are pending) which provides detailed measurements that are more accurate and more precise than any other method. With EagleView's system, insurance adjusters, roofers and solar installers significantly improve measurements' accuracy, dramatically reducing costs and time, while increasing profitability. For additional inquiries, please contact EagleView Technologies at (866) 338-1841 or contact us online at http://www.eagleview.com.

Bob H

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