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Posted By RJortberg on 05 May 2010 11:47 AM
LOI - Loss of income (also Letter of Intent - not applicable here though)
DNR - Department of Natural Resources
DEQ - Department of Environmental Quality

Knowing those abbreviations puts me well on the way to handle environmental claims, right? :)

 

Perhaps your first step to Environmental Claim knowledge would be for you to mow Ray Halls lawn this weekend. That'll get you out in the environment!

Ol' Ghost

Can we say $7.00 for a gallon of gas? Did anyone see over the weekend that Exxon's profits were up for the first quarter by 38%?

Oglethorpe,

Re the bet. I know that I should bet on sure things but I hate taking candy from babies. They always cry about it when it taken from them. Besides, holding the clipboard or camera for the real enviro person does not constitute you working the loss. If you actually do handle enviro claims from this event, post one of your reports(then how will we know that you actually did the work as you do not post with your name?) with pictures on this sight and I will admit that you actually jumped over people or pushed them out of the way to handle a enviro loss. Of course, that will be after verification from the vendor the report was done for that you were assigned the loss. Otherwise do what those who have learned enviro in the past. It is a slow process that takes a good while to learn what needs to be done. Versus your vast expertise on handling a roof claim that most people can learn in 10 days or less. But then of course you are above all of us as you have stated so many times before.

Bueno bye... va a la tierra de la serenidad durante tres semanas.

brighton 

 

First, stop misspelling my nickname, and second, with that attitude you have I will have no problem stepping over you if I have a chance :)

I can see this oil spill having devasting effects for a variety of reasons.  There are thousands of filthy scum sucking lawyers on the gulf coast.  They will sink BP if they can.  These filthy lawyers are the largest contributor to the democrat party who also hates oil companies.  I am afraid that billions will be stolen from several companies.  It will be like asbestos.  They will start off suing BP, then Halliburton, then any other company that had anthing remotely to do with it.   They will sue the manufactures of the cement, the staffing companies, everyone.   They will sue companies that had nothing to do with it at all.

People will be profiting off of this disaster for decades.  People wonder why manufacturing jobs good blue color jobs are shipped over seas.  I would never ever open a manufacturing company in America. 

 

It will produce a lot of claims and it will increase insurance premiums which you can guarantee will be passed on down the line to us the consumers.

 

 

Bobabooey:

If your right, someone will have to handle all the claims the "filthy scum sucking lawyers" generate. For a true multi line adjuster, this will be a gold mine. Not something a one peril roof thumper can handle. Think of this event as the hurricane that will never end. I need to start a three day "Oil School" and get rich. I did take environmental law in school. Guess that is all it will take to be the dean. Gotta get a website set up so I can start sucking money from the masses.

ALANJ what kind of claims you think you are going to see?

Dear boy, please allow me to spell it out for you; E-N-V-I-R-O-N-M-E-N-T-A-L.

You know, as in the 'environment'. The birdies that fly on high, the fishies that swim below. The rocks, the sand, the flora, and the fauna, God's own creatures great and small. The air above, the waters oer the horizon far. 

There's mans interaction with the forces and denizens of Nature. Then comes the green, the folding green, the green by which no other color of humanity matters. Yes, that GREEN!

In a nutshell, ENVIRONMENTAL.

Ol' Ghost

Liability

this is just a broad name for a lots of heterogeneous claims... I was rather inquiring about specifics... Ghost if you seem to know everything give me a couple of specific claims that we may have :) And don't waste words, just reply to the point.

Ghost goes to the top of the class. A+++++++

Damn, what have I to go thru to speak with anybody worthy....

Posted By claims_ray on 06 May 2010 04:38 PM
Liability

Wonderful, I have no more questions... that word explains everything... At this point nobody seems to know anything...  Some indistinct mumbling is heard ... but nothing legible..

My understanding is that a Louisiana company named SHAW has hired Worley Claims and that Worley is rounding up adjusters. A 2 year contract was mentioned and a fairly low rate of pay.

"Here are four little recognized facts about the Exxon Valdez oil spill:
1. The Oil Spill Was Never "Cleaned Up"

More than 21,000 gallons of crude oil remain, according to a 2007 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report. Just scratch the surface of many beaches, and the thick crude oil is evident beneath. True, that's less than 1% of the original 11-million-gallon spill -- but it's enough that the pollution remains toxic to wildlife, even hundreds of miles away from the site of the disaster.

Waterbirds, like Kittlitz's Murrelet, have suffered the most, and are most likely to continue to suffer, according to the American Bird Conservancy. Kittlitz's Murrelet, the population of which has declined 99% since 1972, saw its rate of decline nearly double since the oil spill.
2. Vulnerable Oil Tankers Are Still in Use

The 1989 spill prompted Congress to tighten restrictions on the ocean transport of oil, in part by ordering the phasing out of single-hulled tankers like the Valdez. But that rule had an extraordinarily big loophole that allows single-hulled tankers to remain in service through 2015. And worldwide, many nations will continue using these more easily punctured ships long after the U.S. bans them.
3. Local Residents and Fishermen Have Not Been Compensated

True, roughly $2 billion has been spent on the cleanup effort and Exxon has paid approximately $1 billion in damages. But Exxon hasn't delivered on $92 million claimed by federal and state governments for damages to wildlife, fishermen and others. And in 2008, the Supreme Court struck down a punitive damages case that would have paid out $2.5 billion to fishermen and others whose livelihoods and lives were irrevocably damaged by the spill. The award was reduced by about 20% on a 5-3 vote that came after the recusal of Justice Samuel Alito, a Bush appointee who owns an estimated $100,000-$250,000 in Exxon stock. Worse, many of the victims seeking compensation have died since filing claims after the spill. As a corporation, Exxon can run out the clock against individuals with shorter life spans, and continue to rake in massive profits while it does; in 2008, Exxon recorded a record $45.2 billion profit.
4. Offshore Oil Drilling Reproduces a Valdez-Scale Spill Every Six years

Every year since 1993, U.S. offshore oil drilling has spilled an average of 47,800 barrels of oil into the water. At that rate, it takes about 5.5 years* to spill as much as was spilled during the Exxon Valdez disaster. Offshore oil drilling, seen that way, is just a slow-moving spill. (Hurricanes Katrina and Rita together caused spills approximately 80% the size of the Valdez spill.) That estimate, obviously, does not account for the 5,000 barrels or so spilling daily from the remnants of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig leased by BP.

Read more: http://www.thedailygreen.com/enviro...zz0nC4itbr"

I'm not sure why I will waste my breath on this post, but here goes. Yes, this is a liability claim. A tort has occurred, (alledgedly), causing grievous loss to claimants hither & yon. The proximate cause of the claim is the oil spewing forth due to the currently unknown incident on the drilling rig. BP has accepted responsibility for the damages to be caused by the oil contaminating whatever it touches and the loss of income from those fine souls who trawl in the coastal waters where the oil is now or will be. This is a brief explanation of the situation and not all inclusive. There are many other aspects of this incident to be addressed in the years to come from a variety of private and public entities.

Narrowing our interest to our sordid level, where can we find some work in this mess? For those who value the Great Outdoors, an adjuster may may be needed to sit in a lawn chair and keep track of the critters, rocks, and sand cleaned by the cleanup crews. Other adjusters may be needed to survey the contamination to structures for the BP carriers. Very experienced General Adjusters may be needed to provide a intermediary role in the lawsuits resolvement. There may well be other roles for adjusters to perform. But then again, maybe no outside independent adjusters will be needed. Recall the 1991, September 11 act-of-war attack in New York City. Many a storm trooper was ready to charge up there and yet, no calls for them was sent.

We must just wait and see. That is, the very experienced, HAZMAT/HAZWOPER certified adjusters with years of training in their portfolios. One must candidly ask oneself, 'Am I ready to face the fiercest legal dragons in the Cosmos?' 'Am I ready to deal with the near savage mentalities of the coastal folks?' 'Will I be able to mentally and physically deal with day in/day out demands of being the point man/woman of one of the wildest legal fights of the new decade?' These are serious questions and must be taken seriously by each of us.

My friend, it is a lot more fun and far less demanding to jump a roof. You're in, you're out, you're done. Wind & hail is the traditional and favorite venue of storm trooping. You can start out in one town and four weeks later be sent directly across the country to another town. We have all done it and those who survive enjoy it. But, the BP party is like no other. It is for the cream of the crop, not the cream of the crap or the aspiring fresh faced trainees.

While I admire your ambition, please leaven it with our cautions and prepare yourself for the next one thru the use of education, certifications, and direct carrier experience as an employee.

Ol' Ghost

Olegred, I would work some theft claims, liability claims, and other simple T&E claims before devoting your time to learning this. It is totally different than what you are used to. It is more like being an accountant sitting behind a desk in dress pants than it is climbing roofs. I personally do not like working claims like this. I would work them now for the money but would rather work regular cat claims. If u really want to do them then call worley and ask them if they are hiring If they ask you if you have ever worked claims such as this say, "Hell yes I have. I have worked thousands of them." it's worth a shot. Better to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Example of some of the claims to expect. Ask yourself if you are up to the task.
1) Every condo, hotel motel operator who loses money has a claim
2) Every bar etc. who loses money from no people staying in the above
3) Towns who lose tax revenue from loss of business from above not operating or operating below last year
4) All the fisherman either fishing for wholesale or commercial sport fishing
5) The cost of rebuilding the beaches after the oil is cleaned up.
6) The clean up after a hurricane or trop storm blows through the gulf and blast this stuff on every building and structure in sight.

This will go on for years. Forget your x program and your ladder. Learn excel and brush up on your accounting skills.



National news this morning had a piece where they put a camera under water to show what was below the surface. Pretty scary stuff.