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Last Post 03/09/2008 4:54 PM by  Ray Hall
A Loss that is not covered under the HO or the Flood policy.
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Ray Hall
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02/11/2008 12:53 PM

    I am sure all you flat landers have seen this. The streets are 22 inches lower than the top of the slab (Houston). The streets are designed to flood during down pours and drain into the storm drains that drain into the ship channel that drain into Galveston Bay etc.

    When the subdivision is layed out the rear lot line slopes to the street with a swale between the houses. After about 15 to 20 years the vegatation is grown up and the water running from the rear to the front of the house gets into the rear of the house through the weep holes or a slider door going out to the rear patio or the swimming pool. The owner has both flood and homeowners with the same carrier. The old adjuster makes his very careful inspection of the LOT and finds out how the water got in the house. 1. A board fence acted as a dam (with vegatation debres) to channel the water or the pool apron channel the water under the doors. Its pain and simple surface water and not covered and its not a flood, because the entire lot was not completly inundated with water. A no mans claim. A CWP on both policys.

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    02/12/2008 1:33 AM
    "Flood, as used in this policy, means: 1. A general and temporary condition of partial or complete inundation of two or more acres of normaly dry land or of two or more properties (at least one of which is your property) from......b. unusual and rapid accumulation or runoff of surface waters from any source...

    1) was there a "flood"? Sounds like no.

    This is why Grandpa's house was built on a crawl space.
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    johnpostava
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    02/12/2008 1:51 PM

    The key word in the definition of FLOOD is "...two acres OR two adjacent properties.."

    If the street adjacent to the insured risk flooded and the yard flooded we have two adjacent propertieis and it is a flood.  If the ponding which occured in the backyard also occured on the other side of the fence on the adjacent neighbor's property it is a flood.

    Now for my CMA statement:  That being said, always check with the WYO claims manager before paying any questionable flood claim.

     

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    sbeau4014
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    02/12/2008 2:30 PM
    is water flowing through a swell in the yard and water flowing down the curbs by the street considered "flood". No doubt that these would qualify as 2 adjacent properties, but I lived in Houston for 13 years, and if that qualifies, then almost every house in that city had "flood conditions" every time it rained. You may just have water flowing down the curbs of the street that is only 6"deep and 1'-2' wide, and then having water at both swells beside the house that is about the same in depth and width, but is that going to qualify? Based on the policy language, one could make a good argument of such. Every house and street in the subdivision had that kind of water flowing next to it and in the street would probably be a "general condition"
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    johnpostava
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    02/12/2008 2:47 PM
    Spot ponding is generally not considered a flood but if the water rushing down the sides of a house and out into the steet (two adjscent properties of normally dry land now with surface water) and the water gets into the house it would be a covered flood loss and excluded under HO. The water, however, would have to rise above the "swell" in the yard and actually "touch" the house for flood coverage to apply. If the water "seeped" in due to a high water table and did not touch the outside of the risk - CWOP.
    IMHO
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    02/12/2008 7:35 PM
    I know in Houston there are a ton of houses like Ray mentioned that are on 8"-10" slabs slabsand the top of the slab may be about 2' above the bottom of the swell. Houston knows how to throw a great rainstorm where you can get 2"-4" of rain pretty quickly and depending on the slope of the yard, how the water drains off of the house, what is in the backyard (ie a lot of concrete vs being able to soak into the ground), you can get those swells full of water easier then you might think. He is right is that almost all shouses built there in the last 20-30 years have privacy fences which are great, but can act as a dam for the water running out of the swells toward the front of house. The last house I had there was similiar to this, the back yard was 75' wide X 175' deep and there was a drive on one side (easy flowing) and the other side had 6' between the house and the property line/bottom of the swell/where the fence was. There was another fence that ran from the front corner of the house over to this fence and therein lies the "dam". After the first 3-4 heavy rainstorms and seeing the waterline on that fence of about 12"-14", reality hit me and I realized that a design like that could cause a "flood" as per the definition of the policy. Put in 6 area drains in the back and tied them into 2 4" drains lines that ran out to the curb and easily corrected the problem, but there were a few houses in the neighborhood that got water into them during Alison in 01 from that very thing mentioned above. Not a "general condition of flooding" under the old definition they had 25 years ago, but qualifies for it now.
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    02/16/2008 10:45 PM
    Excellent accessment John
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    dorothys
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    02/17/2008 6:33 PM

    Ya know, the folks at NFIP are very helpful, and you can email them a question and expect a response by the next business day.

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    Ray Hall
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    03/09/2008 4:54 PM

    This is a structure  on a hill sloping down. The  front of structure is set back off the road 300 feet. The building is in the middle of a 2 acre lot.  During a very heavy rain storm water gets into the rear of the split level house that is set on a block wall cut into the bank and deposits 6 inches of red clay soil on the 2 first floor rooms, large den and kitchen. Looking at the front of the house on the left side is a water well pump house 10 feet from the side. On the right 10 feet from the house is a PU camper shell on 2 saw horses. The adjuster examines the property and can not find any evidence of red soil in the pump house or the saw horse legs. The road below the house is a dirt road and does not have any washouts. You have a HO-3 and a WYO policy with the same carrier, the insured presents you with a completed detailed estimate on building and contents for $50,000.00 damage,s on the building and its contents under one or both policys. How do you work this claim to conclusion ?

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