Simply Snap, Speak & Send

Tags - Popular | FAQ  

PrevPrev Go to previous topic
NextNext Go to next topic
Last Post 10/31/2006 10:12 AM by  Agility Cat
WHERE ARE YOU RASS3742
 12 Replies
Sort:
You are not authorized to post a reply.
Author Messages
margar1
Member
Member
Posts:98


--
10/25/2006 6:47 PM

    While I am pretty much a Lurker here ever since the site face lift. With the sanctions being enforced about not disagreeing with other members and all of the other censorship issues  I am out.

     

    I do still like to drop in from time to time and see what is new. One of the posters rass3742 has vanished and I haven,t seen him back on here. I personally think he contributed a lot valuable info. It was obvious in his post on various subjects that he was a plethora of knowledge on life and adjusting.

     

    Come back Eric !

    Mark S Garland
    host
    CatAdjuster.org Founder
    Posts:709


    --
    10/25/2006 9:51 PM

    Let's talk about this perception of  "censorship" because that is all it is. It is not founded on any facts because there is no deliberate censorship.  All of the forum posts are made in real time.  I do not have a problem with anyone disagreeing with another person,  what I do have a problem with is the matter in which some people wish to show this disagreement, for example name calling and\or insults.  We will remove comments that violate the user agreement, but this does not prevent people from saying what they have to say.  All you have to do is take a trip through the archives and you will see plenty of post that contain disagreements some quite strong.  I have also seen a lot of comments in the forum archive along the line "why does Roy allow that post remain".

    stormcrow
    Member
    Member
    Posts:437


    --
    10/25/2006 11:26 PM

    Roy, whether intended or not, I for one no longer feel free to say what I think. I for one enjoyed the give and take and the occasional shot that was fired (usually deserved).

     

    Peter Burch aka olderthendirt (mark salmon)

    I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
    HuskerCat
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:762


    --
    10/26/2006 4:27 AM
    [QUOTE]stormcrow wrote

    Roy, whether intended or not, I for one no longer feel free to say what I think. I for one enjoyed the give and take and the occasional shot that was fired (usually deserved).

     

    Peter Burch aka olderthendirt (mark salmon)

    [/QUOTE]

    Me too, even though I didn't reveal my real name before the changeover .  I just didn't crave any attention to myself....but liked to stoke the fire now & then.    Thing is, I never fired any shots...just threw a zinger in here and there and maybe made fun of some folks from time to time, guess some of them didn't take it that way always!

    Uh, Oh...is this my 3rd Strike, Steve? 

    If so, here is my contribution to "Knowledge & Attitude" before I get banned:   "It is the plaid shirted beggar that ge

    host
    CatAdjuster.org Founder
    Posts:709


    --
    10/26/2006 8:37 AM
    stormcrow,  I may be wrong but I do not believe many if any of your post were ever removed or edited.  Like I said in most cases it's not what is said but the matter in which it was stated.  " As you have shown in the past there are ways to take the "occasional shot" and nothing has change to prevent this.  I always want visitors to feel that they can speak their mind.   Like I stated in a prior post I have received more heat for some the post that were allowed to remain then for the removal of posts.

    My perception of recent activity in the old forum was that almost ever post being made included a "shot" or a insult aimed at another member of the site.


    BTW, why the new screenname? If you are having trouble with your login let me know.
    Medulus
    Moderator
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:786


    --
    10/26/2006 10:30 AM

    A few thoughts:

    Peter, I think you and I have been posting to CADO about the same amount of time (8 years), or possibly you have been doing so longer than I.  I don't ever remember a single insult to anyone coming from your illustrious pen.  I can't imagine why you would be afraid to post here.  Mike, the good natured humor in most of your posts comes through as kidding rather than insult.  There are those exceptions, however.  Let's just say you have a foul ball or two.  Mark, I haven't always agreed with your posts, but I can't remember them being offensive or rude. 

    And...a thought regarding the nature and definition of censorship.  This is the United States and everyone has a right to say what he or she wants to say.  But no one has the right to be heard or to be published.  If I wrote a book and sent it to Doubleday, and they decided not to publish it, that would not be censorship.  Doubleday has the right not to publish it.  I could not sue Doubleday saying I was censored by them.  Roy, as the owner of this site, has the right to allow what he wishes to be published on this site.  He has decided there have been enough insults, threats of lawsuits, sniping, and other embarrassing types of behavior on the site and has clearly spelled out what these are.

    I weighed carefully the decision to help with moderation of the site for a couple reasons.  The main reason is that I want to work and make as much money as I can in the field of catadjusting.  I love the job.  I love the lifestyle.  I love the adventure of it all.  CADO is one of the places where we can show those who may hire us what we know and ask questions, the answers to which make us more knowledgeable and, therefore, employable.  CADO is where I got my very first independent gig and learned how to contact other potential employers.  Consequently, it is a rare year I do not work 40 weeks or more out of the year.  And, it gives me as many weeks off every year as I choose to take, so my avocations do not suffer.  I care about how our profession looks to the rest of the insurance industry and to the world as a whole.  I've never thought of CADO as my personal playground and never wanted to be a bully in that playground. 

    I knew, however, that I would draw some heat if I took this moderator gig.  Very few of us are Teflon, but I've been pretty close.  I got called a name for the first time this week - in eight years of posting.  So, Donnie G., to you goes that dubious honor.  At least the name wasn't "scumbag" or "idiot".  (And there was that one poison private email about seven years ago).  When I post to CADO I don't want to be called a name, or be belittled, or be insulted.  I have a reputation in the industry and I want to keep it.  I deal with contractors or other adjusters or insurance executives who ask, "Are you the Steve Ebner who posts to catadjuster.org?"  And when I say, "Yes, that's me." I say it with a modicum of pride because I know that almost all my posts have some level of thought behind them.  Even the Hoober Goober poetry was designed to teach something about the potential pitfalls and life of a catadjuster.  I don't know as much as some; but I know more than others.  

    Last year I talked to two heads of the cat departments of two major employers in the field.  One said, "I used to live and die by what was written in the CADO forums.  But there is so much chatter, that I don't pay a lot of attention any more.&uot;  Roy knows the person who said that.  He works with him regularly.  The head of the cat department for the company for which I usually work threatened (tongue in cheek) to cut me off when I wore my catadjuster.org shirt in to the office.  Some thoughtless comments on the CADO board a few years back led to a sour taste that is still lingering among the entire cat staff there.  They were actually accused of racketeering by someone who couldn't even spell the word "lawsuit".  I appreciate the humor found in many posts, even a modicum of kidding around.  I don't appreciate insults and generally juvenile behavior in those of us who are professionals, in the business for the long haul. 

    Roy has posted a few simple terms of usage.  That is his right.  I'll even admit to not having read all of them until this past weekend.  It turns out I had violated one of them a couple of times.  I won't be cutting and pasting any more emails into my posts, but I'm not going to remove the ones I already put in because it's important that people know how one of our comrades is doing after falling off a roof, and the other contains valuable information.  Roy can remove them if he must, but I won't. 

    This has been sort of a rambling post, and it has taken up enough of my claim writing time.  So back to work for me.  My nose is getting raw from the grindstone.

     

    Steve Ebner CPCU AIC AMIM

    "With great power comes great responsibility." (Stanley Martin Lieber, Amazing Fantasy # 15 August 1962)
    Gale Hawkins
    PowerClaim.com
    Member
    Member
    Posts:386


    --
    10/28/2006 12:40 AM
    Steve, thank you for that post. That is the best illustration of the freedom of speech issue that I have ever read. One of my staff pointed out this AM that my training post was not posted in the correct area per Roy's guidelines. How some in the past come to think they controlled CADO instead of Roy was humorous in many ways. The man with his hand on the power cord is always the one in full control. Roy Cupps is a more patient man than I am based on some to the things he tolerated including me.
    khromas
    Guest
    Guest
    Posts:28


    --
    10/28/2006 11:40 PM

    True "Freedon of Speech" is NOT someone spouting the company line in order to suck up to someone in power. 

    It is easy to claim that freedom of speech exists when the only speech that is put forth is that which "toes the company line". There is NO danger there, NO exercise in original thought, nothing that commands careful analysis and reason.

    It is safe ... and sterile ... because it does NOT COMMAND THAT THE EITHER THE SPEAKER OR THE RECEIPIENT EXERCISE ORIGINAL THOUGHT!

    A few years back there was a movie with Michael Douglas as the President and Annette Benning as his girlfriend. (Can't remember the name.) In it he is addressing a press conference regarding Freedom of Speech and the gist of what he said was that "true freedom of speech arrives when you are willing to stand and fight for the right of someone to speak in favor of the very essence of that which you oppose."

    Are you willing to do that?

    Oh, and Gale, is CADO required reading for ALL the staff at PowerClaim?

    Why are they there on Saturday? Business picking up?

     

    Ya'll have a good day,

    Kevin Hromas

    JimGary
    Member
    Member
    Posts:470


    --
    10/29/2006 8:04 PM
    So exactly where is RASS and is he responsible for the censorship
    I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!
    Gale Hawkins
    PowerClaim.com
    Member
    Member
    Posts:386


    --
    10/29/2006 11:37 PM

    While I do not know who or where Rass is what is this about censorship? I have not seen any censorship but some posts that violates Roy’s rules that we all freely agreed to follow in exchange for the privilege to post on his site have been addressed. Perhaps I have missed something that was censored but I have seen some needless and invalid remarks made about Roy’s freedom to run his site as he sees fit that he did not delete and if he was into censorship why would he not deleted that class of posts?

    HuskerCat
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:762


    --
    10/30/2006 12:51 AM

    Rass started chiming in this summer, I believe.  Kinda fell of the ledge when the site changed, but I agree with Margar...the Rass-man had good input.  From what I could gather, he'd been a long-time staff guy at one time.  Some of his comments hit home, so I think maybe we both worked for a certain large NW area carrier at one time or another, it might be SAFE to say.   Think the last time I had a PM from him, he was getting busy again...so don't give up on your Rass, everyone!

      

    Tiger
    Guest
    Guest
    Posts:26


    --
    10/30/2006 8:42 AM
    [QUOTE]Medulus wrote

    And...a thought regarding the nature and definition of censorship.  This is the United States and everyone has a right to say what he or she wants to say.  But no one has the right to be heard or to be published.  If I wrote a book and sent it to Doubleday, and they decided not to publish it, that would not be censorship.  Doubleday has the right not to publish it.  I could not sue Doubleday saying I was censored by them.  Roy, as the owner of this site, has the right to allow what he wishes to be published on this site. [/QUOTE]

    So,....we have freedom of speech but we don't have the right to be heard? To delete a post is one thing. To selectively remove partial text from the post is another thing.....and that thing is called censorship. I for one had a post "edited" because I called another poster who consescendingly went of on newbies a "hypocrite". Any person with an understanding of that word and the slightest of reading comprehension skills would have read the post and came to the same conclusion. If calling somebody a hypocrite is "name calling" so be it. I went back and edited my post and referred and to the other posters "hypocritical" remarks and that edit was left untouched. I guess either that was acceptable or Big Brother was asleep at the switch. What disturbed me more than anything was that the nasty post to which I originally replied was NOT edited.

    Agility Cat
    Guest
    Guest
    Posts:4


    --
    10/31/2006 10:12 AM

    To all;

    I read your posts regarding "freedom of speech", as well as the comments of moderators Tom and Roy, that I extend my respect for their professionalism, fairness and impartiality.Why do I say that:: before the cado site was re-configured, I post some infos on getting started (infos pertaining the thread), and it came back to me with research on my personal credit regarding my licenses, which were totally erouneous (those feedback were totally out of the thread;) I even received email from the posters regarding the school I attended to obtained my license.

    HERE WE ARE !!! : those personal infos, insults (however you want to phrase it) are in the view of the general public, and could be interpreted as Discriminitating >> liability to Cado  >> consequences et all. I moved to western North Carolina 10 years ago, tired of looking over my shoulder and fighting those things, that you find in the rat race of big concentraion of humans >>> so I stopped coming to the cado site (I do not need to get back to the negative I knew), went to claims page and claims mentor, where there were no adverse comments to members, their threads are pure to the point >>> P.E.R.I.O.T.

    As roy stated, your are welcome to post, however it is the way you state your reply. "Stick to the thread, and do respect the poster (we all have different traits of personality, character and point of view >>> Respect that).

    WHERE ARE YOU RASS3742. Please come back, you are part of the few that care and share in the adjuster's community.

    Humbly submited

    Agility Cat

    Jean Paul Bouvret
    You are not authorized to post a reply.


    These Forums are dedicated to discussion of Claims Adjusting.

    For the benefit of the community and to protect the integrity of the ecosystem, please observe the following posting guidelines: 
    • No Advertising. 
    • No vendor trolling / poaching. If someone posts about a vendor issue, allow the vendor or others to respond. Any post that looks like trolling / poaching will be removed.
    • No Flaming or Trolling.
    • No Profanity, Racism, or Prejudice.
    • Terms of Use Apply

      Site Moderators have the final word on approving / removing a thread or post or comment.