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Last Post 12/02/2007 3:21 PM by  Ray Hall
How much time to get to site?
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12/01/2007 5:16 AM

    Hi Everyone,

    I am thinking about getting into Cat. Adjusting in the States but I reside in Thailand. I am a US citizen and I have a wife and home in Thailand. How much time is given for you to get to the site when you are called to duty? I could get from here to anywhere in the US in around 48hrs. Is that quick enough?

    I am a newbie but I have construction experience and would return to the States to take Cat training and licensing courses. I have been reading a lot of posts on this site and I think Cat adjusting might be a good fit for me. Being based in Thailand, my monthly expenses are tiny so I can afford to go a long time with no work.

    How likely is it that I will take the training and licensing courses only to NEVER be called on? I can wait a season or 2 but to never get a call would not be good.

    Any info. or advice is appreciated.

    Tabor

     

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    12/01/2007 9:56 AM
    How likely is it that I will take the training and licensing courses only to NEVER be called on? I can wait a season or 2 but to never get a call would not be good.



    There is a better than 65% chance you will not be called. There would have to be several major storm like those of 2005. I got my start toward the end of 2005, however it was after the flood gates for needed newbies was over, and i never did and still haven't received a call from any of the Cat vendors, except to attempt to sell me a class or etc. So i opted for daily claims work, and likely would not have landed this without the help of a friend who was already in with this firm.
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    Ray Hall
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    12/01/2007 11:27 AM

    I am one of the older adjusters who disagree with people with catastrophe claim training only that; "catastrophe adjusting" is a profession.

    This is why: A person with no prior experience can get a license and a single computer software course for about $500.00 thats takes about 30 hours of class room training.

    You need to be trained by an insurance company for one year at their expense and have 4 years working experience before you are qualified for your first major change in job description. Most claim managers have 10 to 20 years experience in fire, auto, casualty, inland marine,fidelity.

    I am of the opine a vendor would not call on you to fly to the US at your expense to work 30 files at the onset to see if you could do the very hard work with your limited abilites.

    I do not know your training, but would your old boss call you to come to the US for 6-12 week job at your own expense for $500.00 per day.

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    12/01/2007 12:56 PM

    This thread kind of reminds me of the "Gold Rush" in 1849. Word of great wealth and opportunity spreads like wildfire, and people are willing to travel great distances. But they get there - and there are too many of them. Most of them have never tried to get gold out of a solid pile of rock before.

    The rumor still spreads, people in foreign lands risk all and set sail. Only to find out what the locals already know - some people did very well but your results may vary.

    I believe people should do what they are good at, leverage their natural talent. In your circumstance, there is likely a better opportunity doing what you know, with the unique surroundings that you find yourself in today.

    Your post is well written, better than many of us in terms of spelling and making sense. I am sure the people of Thailand have a place for you that is a safer bet than this one. We have very qualified adjusters sitting on their hands. If we find gold again in this country, you can be assured there will be a large number of adjusters looking for it. And we don't have to fly from out of the country.
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    If you are crazy like the rest of us and still interested...   48 hours should be fine.  You likely wouldn't get meaningful work unless there was a BIG event, and with a BIG event the carrier needs a bit of time to set up a temporary office.  So you would be on "standby" - but there are varied degrees of that.  It could be meaningless, many of these vendors have over 4,000 adjusters on their list.  Of course many have found full time jobs and won't respond to the call. 

    Or "standby" could have real meaning.  I was paid $500 per day to wait for a CAT site to be set up for Katrina.  That was unheard of until the 4 hurricanes in 2004, after the first couple hurricanes there was a shortage of adjusters, and the companies would pay to retain you.  The next year (2005) there were big storms.  Now there are 2 years of nothing - so we are starting over.  I do not expect to be paid to wait again.

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    12/01/2007 2:39 PM
    Heres another item for your consideration, How many adjusters out there have been called to a site only to be turned around once you got there, (Dennis 2005). Not to bad when driving for 12-24 hrs, but on a flight from Thailand, that would be a major expense.

    JWG
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    12/01/2007 3:48 PM
    Posted By BobH on 12/01/2007 12:56 PM

    This thread kind of reminds me of the "Gold Rush" in 1849. Word of great wealth and opportunity spreads like wildfire, and people are willing to travel great distances. But they get there - and there are too many of them. Most of them have never tried to get gold out of a solid pile of rock before.

    Bob you are so very right about this, money is what lured me at first, but i have since developed a strong desire to learn this business inside and out, and greatly enjoy the challenges that it offers.

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    12/02/2007 5:13 AM

    Hello,

    First of all, thank you guys for your replies.

    I would like to let everyone know that if I choose to become a Cat adjuster it will be for lifestyle reasons and not for the money. If I can NET 18k per year, my wife and I can live like rockstars here in Thailand.

    Once again, I would return home to get FULLY trained at Vale or another reputable school ( not just some 30hr course ).

    I worked for a year as an independent contractor fixing and flipping Katrina flooded homes in New Orleans. It was my first time ever being independently employed and I loved it. I think I would also ( as Moco said ) "greatly enjoy the challenges" of Cat adjusting.

    Bob,

    Thanks for answering my question about how long you have to get to a site and for your other sound advice.

    Jim,

    Thanks for pointing out the possibility of being sent home with no work after reporting to a site. I hadn't thought of that.


    Ray,

    If I were to take all the appropriate Cat training courses would it really be necessary for me first work as a staff adjuster? If so, that kills the idea altogether for me.




    Best Regards,

    Tabor



































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    Tom Toll
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    12/02/2007 10:06 AM

    In 1961, I was hired by Southern Farm Bureau Casualty of Arkansas. I did not know squat about insurance claims, or insurance. I just knew you had to pay premium to be protected against losses. When I was hired, the claims manager, who was also legal counsel, told me that it took a minimum of seven (7) years to become an adjuster, which I doubted. After being sent to a number of schools, practical experience, and the school of hard knocks, I determined that Gerald was right. It took time to become a good property and casualty adjuster. Like Ray and many others to numerous to mention, we had to compile our own data base of prices on property and used Mitchell manuals for prices and labor on collision claims. We had to write reports, and estimates in long hand on triple carbon paper. Our photos were of the old Polaroid era. Take the photo, (black and white) and coat it with some sticky goo to preserve it. These were all mailed to the central claims office via the US Postal service.

    We had yearly meetings to network and make suggestions. All of us worked together to make things run smoothly, efficiently, and honestly. Adjusting was fun and exciting, making many friends in the business along the way, many of whom are no longer with us. We continuously attended meetings and schools to learn how to become better adjusters. Farm Bureau was a wonderful company to work for. We were provided hospitalization, a nice company vehicle, camera, and typewriter. Training included, but was optional, being sent to law school free of charge if you maintained a certain grade point, of which I took advantage of, as did some others. Unfortunately that program was discontinued when some adjusters decided the law practice was better for higher income. I chose to stay in this profession due to my dealings with some practicing attorney whose values were less than acceptable to me.

    Now enter the Catastrophe adjuster of this century. Many with three days training and sent to the public with little or no knowledge of policy or construction. Many are nothing but warm bodies to help the masses with their claims. Most were conscientious about their new chosen field, but some were not, as they saw mounds of income possible. Some of them heard that from vendors who wanted them to work. Some made a decent income and some fell by the wayside.

    Does it still take at least seven years to become an adjuster? YES, nothing has changed and certainly with litigation the way it is, more years need to be tacked on. Whose fault is it? It is the insurance industry who is to blame. When a major event occurs, they want adjusters out taking care of their clients and they want them visibly present with shirts on and placards on their vehicles. Some vendors call too many people to a sight and then have to send some home and that is usually based on what the carrier has said their claims count would be, so often times, it is not the vendors fault. Is there an answer to this problem, of course not? Accept the fact that you may be sent back home, but make sure you have an understanding from the vendor that they will pay you for your trip expenses and time before leaving for a cat sight. If you want to stay and not be sent home, learn your trade, work your files properly, return phone calls, obtain the appropriate knowledge, and keep yourself highly organized. Continue to educate yourself everyday, via classroom, internet, or mentor.

    The carriers nor the vendors can afford to have adjusters on their payroll year around, so we are considered a necessary commodity, called upon only when a national or local disaster occurs. If this looks like something you wish to do, move forward and obtain proper training, not three days in a room to learn all that is needed in this profession. It can be done with the proper training and a good positive attitude. Good Luck!

     

     

     

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    Ray Hall
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    12/02/2007 3:21 PM

    You do not need to be an adjuster to make good income on a major weather event. Hail, wind, flood, freeze, hurricane all come to mind. If you worked in Katrina flipping houses you can be a real asset to some of the commercial adjusters who have a free hand on hiring helpers to photo, measure, do scopes if qualified etc. If you master Xactimate (about 70-80 % of the carriers)demand this program you can stay at home and do the computer estimates for the adjuster who needs help and make $500 per day or more from any place in the world. You will be working for the adjuster and not the vender or insurance carrier. I would suggest you get a credit card pay system and request a payment AFTER each file is complete. I would also request an advance of $1,000.00 after the person is satisfied with your ability.

    I can not see why the thousands of people who spent time on an license course ever thought you needed a license to estimate on a software program.

    If you are well known you can do the same thing for all the contractors who go after insurance type claims. Its a myth that the paper work has to be in 24 hours. If the work product  is complete any carrier will give you 7 days with a comprehensive report on large losses at 30 days.

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