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Last Post 08/15/2007 7:41 PM by  Gale Hawkins
Claim File Size Today
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Gale Hawkins
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04/21/2007 12:34 AM
    Today we know especially due to hi res digital photos and other attachments to claim files that in megabytes (MB) that the size of claim files have grown over the years. This fact leads to changing needs for both estimating software and the storage of the electronic files for building claim profiles.
     

    My question is what is the largest claim file that you can remember (in MB’s) that you have seen to this date? If you can remember the format (mdb, SQL, PDF, etc) it would be helpful.

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    04/30/2007 6:55 PM

    Gail,

    I wish I could answer that one for you.  I usually send my files in pdf, so I don't know that I have sent any single report in excess of 4.6 MB in pdf.  I had to break the file into two files to send it to the carrier because their system would not allow a file that large.  I have never really checked to see what the whole file may be.  I just did a check of the claims I am currently handling and the biggest file is 46.1 MB.  The largest files are those that have high resolution scanned documents, because I try to keep the photo size smaller rather than larger.  I usually use the lowest resolution camera setting for just this reason.  The 46.1 MB file has 51 photos and several scanned documents.  I've handled a couple claims in the last couple years that were more than 750 pages -including 300 to 450 photos - when printed, but I never bothered to check how many MBs they were. 

    One of the problems I frequently encounter, however, with reports in excess of 1.5 MB is that the spam filters or other filtering software used by some carriers will preclude sending a file that might include more than 30 photos.  Also, this software tends to screen out aol accounts (and possibly others) at a lower threshold than other domains.  For instance, there have been several times when I sent a report and the examiner has not received my email sent from aol.  I then will send it to a GAB clerical, who then sends the same attachment.  It goes through. 

    Hope this was the type of input for which you were looking.  Being a computer blond, I sometimes miss the mark in discussing cyber stuff with you wizards of the web.

    Steve Ebner CPCU AIC AMIM

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    05/01/2007 9:02 AM

    Gail,

    I sent one out last night that was a little over 10MB, and it took me 3 attempts before it actually went.  I'm on AOL too, and even tried to send it via my IE explorer hoping it would send it quicker, but didn't.  Needless to say, I finally ended up and got it sent, but even with high speed it took me about 15+ minutes to get the thing to upload and sent.

    I had decided that if the final attempt failed, I was going to break the file into two parts and send that way, fortunately I didn't have to do it.  But a PDF stacker is invaluable in these cases!!

    I got desperate and downloaded a trial version of a PDF stacker, which I found pretty easy to use, not sure if I'll buy the program, (Nitro PDF Professional) but its only $99.00, far less than some of the stacker programs I've seen and it works! 

     

    ~M~

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    Gale Hawkins
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    05/07/2007 12:42 AM
    Steve/Meg, thanks for sharing the size of some of your claim files. As both of you mentioned the ability to email PDF versions of completed files is no longer a simple option and with the ever increasing claim file size due to photos and high quality scans of documents plus spam filtering concerns it will at some point be no option at all perhaps.
     
    The reason for my question is to try to determine a realistic max file size that will be hitting PowerClaim Net Services servers in the future but knowing there is always the exception to consider. In Release 17 of our estimating software we added the ability to pull existing PDF files seamlessly into an estimate as a supporting document. While this much requested feature makes sense for the adjusters it does require some forethought as there are potentially related development and storage concerns. Most any system can be either crashed or slowed to a crawl by hitting it with tons of say 50 to 200 MB size claim files and terabytes (the next step after gigabytes) of storage space can fill up very fast. We have storage scalability with PowerClaim Net Services (our web server solution similar to Xactnet/ComCentral) but storage is always a concern in the claims handling industry. While storage may sound like a simple task the fact that it is backed up nightly and stored in a different earthquake zone increases storage related concerns.
     
    With the ability to email claims files as PDF files (or in any other format) becoming the thing of the past we hear of more and more carriers that use independent adjusters are asking for the ability to view their claim files online and even pull them directly from a web site into their imaging systems. While we know the usage of the PDF format will go away in time we do not see that being anytime soon because new paperless systems are being installed today that make heavy use of the PDF format.
     
    In 2004 we started seeing adjusters printing and manually scanning Xactimate estimates into our estimating software and then attaching the photos and diagrams and writing the reports. This is when we learned commercial estimates could have hundreds and hundreds of pages. When all estimating software added the ability to save a completed file as one PDF file it made things much simpler for all parties to use PDF files. While most do not submit Xactimate claims by wrapping them inside of another estimating software package more and more supporting documents are coming directly to the adjuster as a PDF file. They could be a bid or invoice from a contractor, a document from a law firm, photos or just about from any source. Printing out a PDF file and then scanning it in as a supporting document can be done but it is a total waste of time and money plus it will clearly look like a copy of a copy. With the ability to directly import a PDF file into a claim file it not only takes seconds but it is just as sharp as the original PDF file.
     
    Since the size of claim files are expected to grow this will be an ongoing subject for years to come so others please feel free to state your successes or lack there of in moving these larger size claim files over the internet.
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    05/08/2007 5:30 PM

    Gale as you know I work a lot of large liability claims. Just scanned in one word doc 3 pages 47kb and 4 pdf scanned into My Documents 8 page 904 kb, 60 page 9.88mb, 52 page 8.30 mb, 45 page 7.55 mb seems like the e files will overload some storage space in the days ahead, this only took about 20 min. or about the same lenth of time as a short trip to my post office if I could have sent paper. Is it me or my software or lack of knowledge ? I did not put them in PowerClaim as an attachment would this help ? Oh it was paper from a lawyer that I scanned in.

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    05/09/2007 11:30 AM
    Recently one of the vendors that I work with has informed me that I can now download my file directly into their website. Supposedly to increase the file size that I would be able to transmit.
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    05/13/2007 10:42 AM
    I just thought I would throw this out. I use this to shrink large files. After you have your file in a PDF you can click the print icon, instead of sending it to your printer, you print it to Adobe. This does not print the doc., but it will shrink your file in half. You can do this more than once to get the file down to a size that will be easy to email. I have taken 10-12 MB files and shunk them to under 2. Its great for files with lots of photos.
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    05/23/2007 10:19 PM

    Printing to Adobe doesn't always reduce the file sizes to half, ...but does reduce them.   Other methods I've investigated, and would like feedback from others who might have used them are below, depending on the needs of the recipients of your claims:

    Websites like www.yousendit.com that can bypass email entirely.  You upload the file to "You Send It" and then send an email to the recipient with the link that allows them to download the file.  Bypasses the size restrictions.   I've used this before, and it works well, but with the extra time it takes to set up your upload/download, would be cumbersome when doing multiples and possible internet speed limitations. 

    Another option I heard of, but have not yet tried, was to send files using instant messaging.  I haven't tried this.  Both parties have to be online at the same time. One to send, One to receive.  I'm not sure about the security of either of this method or the Upload/download method.

    I'm also restricted by using AOL, both with file sizes and the unpredictable spam screening that takes place, and set up a gmail account through google so I can handle the larger file sizes.  

    Feedback anyone?   

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    05/25/2007 3:23 AM

    AT&T/Yahoo have a 2 mb. limit for attachments to an email.  I found out the hard way last year when my tornado files went past that size and sending the email kept failing with no explanation as to why.  I changed the setting on my camera for the lowest pixel setting, insert them into a Word document photo sheet, then print it to a pdf file.  This usually keeps the size down below 2 m.b. for a large photo file.  If you can't set the camera low enough, use photo software to reduce the size of the photo.  If using Xactimate or Integraclaim and your are required to use the softwares photo sheet, use the same procedure using the software's photo sheet instead of Word.

    If you are required to provide everything in one file, then you probably would be using XactNet and can upload instead of emailing.

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    Gale Hawkins
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    05/26/2007 11:41 AM
    As these posts indicate file size is increasing and in fact are getting huge in some cases. Many of today’s digital cameras just will not create a low resolution photo. The old Sony’s that did the 640 x 480 resolution still is all of the resolution you need to sharp photos inside of an estimate. While I am sure it is not unique to just PowerClaim XML we have the option to resize (resolution) the photos on the fly as they are imported to help manage claim file size without giving up any photo quality.
     
    Now that we offer in the Supporting Document module the direct importing of any supporting PDF file up to 150 MB in size that has really permitted huge files but adjusters are being presented more and more documents supporting a claim file in the PDF format and have requested this feature in mass. The fact at we offer the option to automatically roll the entire claim file (photos, scans, attached PDF files from other sources including other estimating software created files) into one PDF file can lead to huge PDF files.
     
    The creative solutions mentioned in this thread to move large claim files are interesting. While we created PowerClaim Net Services for many reasons one was the fact that due to all the locks and restrictions put on emailing today it is just about to become useless to move larger claim files but this is old news on CADO. The ability to load your claim file to a web server and generate an email to the recipient so they can go view, print or download as a live claim file or as a PDF file it is the wave of the future as we see it today but who knows what technology will be in place tomorrow.
     
    What are some other web solutions anyone else has seen or have used? This will be a hot subject if we have an active landfall hurricane season because the emailing restrictions have really increased over the past two years as companies try to get a handle on Spam.
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    08/14/2007 12:40 AM

    The large file sizes are clearly due to the larger Image sizes

     

    I use Irfanview (www.irfanview.com)  It batch reduces photo sizes in just a minute out of and into any directory

    + its free

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    08/14/2007 12:59 AM

    Here's another wrinkle. Digital Voice Recorders make it possible to take a recorded statement and transmit it electronically to our clients with the file, or as a separate file. Last week I was attempting to do this. I converted a 15 minute statement into a wav file, a wma file, and into an MP3 file. In any form, the file was huge. The wma file was about half the size of the mp3 file, but the wav file was prohibitively large. I can see this requirement in the future on those files where a recorded statement is required. A digital recording is much clearer than a mini-cassette.

    Steve Ebner CPCU AIC AMIM

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    Gale Hawkins
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    08/14/2007 1:18 AM
    In our experience today it is the total size of photos adding the most of file size increase yet I do think Steve is correct about the digital voice recorder use being the wave of the future that we CMS vendors should plan to anticipate a need to enable this feature as claims move toward being fully digital.
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    08/14/2007 4:59 PM
    Google Microsoft Power Toys. Look down the right side and find image resizer, download it. Open a group of photos, click the first one, hold shift key down, click the last one you want to resize and click it. Once they are all highlighted right click and you will have the option of resize image. I resize them to 640 x 480. One nice feature of this program is the fact that it keeps all of your original photos in their original size and gives you a small copy of that photo. A second lovely feature is that it is free!
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    08/15/2007 8:48 AM

    A few updates ago we added a feature to Simsol which automatically downsizes digital images loaded into claim files to 640x480.  This made storing files with multiple images in our data warehouse much more managable and allowed adjusters to transmit files faster.  Adjusters can still store their images in their original size if for any reason they need to enlarge them.  This is a great feature which is sure to pop up in the other adjusting/estimating platforms in future updates.

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    Gale Hawkins
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    08/15/2007 7:41 PM

    In 2005 we added the feature to down size all photos to 640x480 on the fly but gave the adjuster the option to bump it up if they preferred. Like John indicated it as much as for self preservation as anything because with adjusters buying cameras with the lowest setting of 1.8 MP a few years ago the file sizes became unmanageable. When you print out an estimate you can not tell the difference between a 640x480 vs. $5K camera set at the highest resolution.

     

    The reason I started this thread was to get some feedback about file sizes some of you are creating today. PowerClaim Release 17 added the ability to move other brands of software estimates saved as a PDF over our web based PowerClaim Net Services CMS system and we were tying to determine how wide to make the gate so we tested up to 50 MB total estimate size to give us a little breathing room to get through this hurricane season.

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