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I agree whole heartedly, Chuck

You and one or two others are the only ones that have quit beating around the bush and have come right to the point.

A good education is never free, whether it's a formal education or the school of hard knocks ( I graduated from that one). You and I have become
fed up with the constant postings of "I'm trained (or I wanna be trained or I don't need training or........) and why ain't I makin' any money? "

I spent many years as a staffy guy with some real hard nosed supervisors (see above for name of school) and learned the business the hard way and
it stuck. I also learned that continuing to learn and keep up with CE and courses that may not apply today are really worth the cost both in time and
money. I've been all over this glorious US of A working cats and FEMA stuff and have had a wonderful time doing it. (Some days were better than others)
I learned the art of tipping in New York; I learned the art of patience in Louisiana and Mississippi; I learned the art of negotiation with PAs in Florida; I learned that
there ain't two blocks in a row in Pennsylvania that are flat; I learned what "steep" is in Plano, TX and Richardson, TX; I've learned so much that I've
forgotten most of it.

Where was I .......................................

 It seems most carriers look at adjusting expense cost as the first place to cut with very good reasons.

We all know learing how to work a roof claim can be learned in a matter of weeks. Why pay an IA a percentage of the loss to total out a roof that is hit whithe baseball size hail ? None when you can get one good roofing salesman to work 50 roof claims in the same zip code that will cost $250,000 in fee bills for free.

Just do the math.   Now how many roofing salesman do you need to work with your staff of 10 traveling cat. adjusters. All you need is one old adjuster that has worked over 10,000 roof claims to review the same estimate system that almost universal and this one person can be at home and charge $1200 to $1500 per day and work full time. Only 5 percent of the field work would be check at random and this system would result in lower cost: BUT would it passed on to the consumer.??

Posted By ChuckDeaton on 20 Jul 2011 04:46 PM
Ray, Larry,Stormcrow, PEOBroker, psssst, keep this under your hat, but there is a roofer, a storm chaser, in Cheyenne, WY that tweeted that one of his salesmen made $200,000.00 since he was hired in 2010. He has said publicly that I am probably not a "good fit" for his company, but Robby/Catadjusterx says that he is a "diamond in the rough" and the "FOATA network stands behind Allstorm." Mr. Patick says that he does "good work." Robbie/Catadjusterx says that Mr. Patrick delivers more than he promises.

Patrick Nordlund, with a "U", not Nordland, with an "A", his current company name is Allstorm, Mr. Patrick is from Billing, MT. and works several mid west states.

Chuck, I am stunned by your behavior over the last few days and I think you are being extremely unprofessional and unnecessarily agressive.WHY? You are taking half truths and spreading nonsense. I hate that I have to defend myself to my friends and colleagues here on CADO, but I will NOT let you drag my name and my site and what I am doing and what I will continue to do through the mud.

All I did was post on  my forum that a roofing company [Chuck has named the company above] needs X amount of salespersons in a particular area (Sidenote: out of respect for Roy I will NOT name this company on CADO nor will I promote my site). I wrote to my members that this company is the real deal and that my site stands behind  this company. As my site is geared towards rookie adjusters, I try to provide them with opportunities to get experience. It's tough to break into this biz and I have found that a new adjuster can get some solid experience with roof sales while they are waiting to get deployed. They can learn about being comfortable working at height,learn how to measure a roof and by far the most important issue with this opportunity is giving these folks a practical application of their XM8 skills in the real world. There is so much more to adjusting than roof skills, but it is a start and better than nothing.

Now with that being said, there are MANY of these types of companies and it seems the vast majority of them use less than desirable sales tactics and unscrupulous methods to "FIND" so called damage. I tell my members to be very careful with who they may go to work for. When these guys post they need x amt. of my members, I ask them to FIRST provide their compensation package, their IC agreement and a clear concise "job description" . As expected ,90% do NOT provide these docs and they go away.

This company was different, last spring they posted they needed x amt of my members for work wherever. I asked for and was provided with the required documentation. They made no promise of instant riches, they don't go door to door. They hired some of my members(3 I believe) 
last spring. We got regular updates from my members and they were very pleased. One of these guys came home for 4 months and I put him in my apprentice project. He excelled through the project and within 30 days was doing his own daily claims. This roof company asked him to deploy somewhere after about two months of going through my project and doing his own claims. I told him he should not go back because where he was as an adjuster is a dream position for a new adjuster. After going out on his own daily claims he made over 7,000.00 his first and only month. He left and went back to this roof company because he was making more money. I was shocked that he would give up the opportunity he had with me, but he did. Of the first 5 apprentices that I chose to go through the apprentice project last December 2010,  1 had to leave due to health issues,3 of them are working full time doing their own claims as we speak in Connecticut and Arizona as IA's. The 4th apprentice is also working full time doing his own claims in Arizona but he is working as a staff adjuster with a company vehicle, all equipment,laptops,XM8 and a protected territory. Whilst I have told him to save his money for the lean times, he has continually made anywhere from 7,000.00 to 10,000.00 every month beginning in March 2011. It should be noted that this adjuster had only been licensed as an adjuster for less than 6 months before I chose him to go through the AP. The first 4 all had one thing in common, they were all working for roofing contractors selling roofs and all 4 had  strong XM8 skills.

I made the claim that my website stands behind this company based on facts and facts alone. This company under promised and over delivered. It should also be noted that this is the ONLY company that I and my site stand behind. Chuck I have worked a lot of years (8) (not as many as you) and I have worked hard to get where I am today.  We don't have to agree on everything, but how dare you try to question my character and my integrity !! 

Here is the link to the entire thread should anyone be curious:

http://www.fromoneadjustertoanother...looking-fo

Chuck, I just love your last parting shot on my site by telling folks if they want to find real work come on over to CADO. I hate to break it to you but I already  have been promoting  CADO for the last 2 years and I have provided CADO links in multiple posts over the years. Anyone on my site is well aware that CADO is the industry leader and all my members would be well served to become CADO members and they will learn more than they would in most classes if they were to spend hours reading the archives alone.  

Chuck, you are a brilliant gifted human being. If you took even half of the effort that you put out to ridicule, bash and ram down these peoples throat that they are doomed to failure and put it towards maybe guiding someone and point them in the right direction would be a grand thing. You have so much knowledge and you can help so many!! I do not paint our industry with rose colored glasses and I am very clear on that to my members. I give them the truth and that the odds are against them but rookie adjusters have and are and will continue to get their shot. Some will make it and some won't. I don't stroke their egos or give them false hope, I give them reality.

Robby Robinson

 Awe Jud, I was waiting for some one else with a with some good background to opine before me..

Posted By Ray Hall on 21 Jul 2011 03:17 PM

 Awe Jud, I was waiting for some one else with a with some good background to opine before me..

Your opinions are welcome Ray, Jud G. and anyones for that matter.