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Last Post 05/17/2010 12:59 PM by  dchapman55
New to adjusting, but not to insurance
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05/14/2010 4:56 PM
    I am seeking some adviced from senior adjusters. I have been in the insurance industry since 1992, pretty much right out of high school. I worked in non standard auto for three years, and learned the ropes. I then switched to a preferred carrier, and I have been here since 1995. I am on the "front lines" as they say at an agents office. I am an associate agent, and basically run the office. I am a licensed general lines agent (both property and casualy, and life/health), and I am a licensed All Lines Adjuster. I have years of experience, CE, designations, and more under my belt. I currently service all forms of property and casualty, commercial, and life. Basically I am looking for a new career path, and I have always wanted to be an adjuster (hence the license). I have a disabled son at home, and I am looking for something that can be a bit more flexible. My husband who was a roofer currently stays home with my son, so I have full time care for him. 
     I also feel like I have had the life sucked out of my by sitting in an office all day everyday. I enjoy feeling like I am putting people back in the position they were prior to their loss, but I would prefer to be in the field doing that. I know that CAT adjusting can be hard work, and I am not afraid of it. I am a fast learner, and very good at the insurance profession.  Although, I was wondering what opinions were on in house claims, vs outside claims. I make a good salary right now with insurance, so this has been a difficult decision. I haven't let go of my old job yet, and I am just searching for opinions.
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    05/14/2010 6:27 PM
    I would not give up a good paying insurance job to chase storms. Not many adjusters who chase storms have made a living since hurricane Ike in Texas in 2008. I don,t think I have ever thought I was on the road and working very long hours because I liked to help people. I was was after the $$. I also think if you are surporting two households the pressure to keep the checks going home will be very great. It will be OK when you are working, but when you are finished you may be finished for a day, a month or a year. If you can get on with Pilot and you may from your experience as an inside person you may have a better chance of working as many months as you want and then draw unemployment when it,s dead.

    I know hundreds of people who have done catastrophe work in the last 50 years and I have heard many say "IF I could make 50% of what I make on the road, I would quite the road. Believe me you will miss home. Why not ask your present employer to give you a taste of road life on a storm.
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    05/14/2010 6:44 PM
    My standard response, is "cobbler stick to your last."

    I have made my living as a catastrophe adjuster since the 70's and it is a long hard row to hoe. Until you have worked 150 hour weeks for years you have no idea how difficult a job can be.
    "Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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    cjengo
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    05/16/2010 5:53 PM
    Hence why I was asking the question. I have to find a different job because I have no retirement right now. I have to find something with retirement so I think I will be going the corporate route. Thanks for the advice.
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    05/17/2010 1:07 AM

    Cjengo,

    I cannot comment on the CAT adjusting route as I am chained to a desk, but I would happy to shed some light on the internal workings of a boiler room large carrier’s claims office.  Prior to working claims, I worked for a now defunct national mitigation company; I lived in Florida for the wild 2004 season.  That experience and being in the right place at the right time has served me well.  My carrier counted my mitigation experience year for year when calculating my initial wage and I have done well. 

                You mentioned needing some flexibility due to your child’s needs, insurance (benefits for your family), retirement, and wanting to help people.  All these needs will be met working for a large carrier.  Here is some free advice regarding your potential future career as an adjuster.  My advice is based on my personal experience in my claims office. 

                Stress / Pending:  Being an adjuster can be stressful.  The carrier needs you to handle as many claims as you can as quickly as you can.  You have to handle them fairly, paying what you owe (no more, no less).  You will constantly be dealing with people going through a very stressful time; many of them are also completely unable to emotionally cope with adversity, and will take it out on you.  On the same claim you will have to deal with the insd’s vendor who will have wildly inflated the scope and convinced the insd you (the adjuster) just want to cut corners and save the carrier money.  It took me a few years before I stopped taking this behavior personally (I still get mad when being blatantly ripped off).  A perfect example you can see right now on this board would be the thread where the “adjuster” wants to know how much to pay to have a tree removed. 

                Be aware that the claims keep rolling in whether you settle yours quickly or get involved in long drawn out fights with the vendors and insds.  You will be under the customer service microscope; “The insd gave me bad marks because I was following the carrier processes” is not an applicable excuse for a bad review.  Having an insanely high work load is also not an excuse.  As an adjuster, you will most likely be on salary and a desk job is not a nine-to-five job.  At times you will leave work emotionally drained, exhausted, and depressed.

                Wages / Compensation.  The carrier will pay you a fair market wage for a person who has no claims experience (not a whole lot of money).  I personally know of agency staff that made the leap and were not credited for any prior experience.  In most cases you will be earning a lot more than you take home when you factor in benefits, 401k matching, retirement, paid time off, short term disability, etc.  Those benefits will not pay your rent or put gas in the tank so often times you could feel like you are earning less than you are.  If you survive your first year in claims, you will find the raises are not commensurate with the work you do. The average raise throughout my company has been 2.5% for the last few years.  It was made known that the office has a fixed amount for raises, if you get more than the average, one of your friends gets less (I can tell you this is bittersweet).  If you survive and thrive in your first five years, you will find that you are being paid below the market value for a 5 year adjuster.  This is because your raises have not kept pace with your value as an adjuster, and you started off with a low wage 5 years ago.  You have to be careful here because on one side you can go to a different carrier and make more but if you do this more than a very few times, you will be labeled a “job hopper” and will not get more interviews.  If possible do not leave prior to your 5 year mark; this is not hard because time flies when you are slammed with work 100% of the time.

                More Stress.  You do not have to dig deep on this forum to see that large carriers are trying to save money.  The independent adjusters are concerned that the carriers are using satellites, “drop out” sub contractors, and contractors to write estimates and cutting the independents out of the loop.  I would agree that the pendulum is deep in “cut expenses” territory and is not considering the savings of having skilled adjusters on the case.  I fully expect a collective, “oh crap” from the carriers regarding severities in the near future.  What does this mean for the desk adjuster working in a corporate claims environment?  Out sourcing.  Whether the work is sent to large unskilled express offices or overseas, either way, you are out of a job.

                Realistically, you are doing all the adjusting from behind a desk with minimal outside adjuster input.  Why pay you $60k a year when they can pay half that?  On complex claims, currently, the carriers cannot maintain customer service, comply with state regulations, and generally not butcher the claims process.  My carrier is pressing forward though, and I imagine one day I will be on lunch listening to Bloomberg Radio and hear that my carrier just closed their local claims offices and are sending the work to India.  Towards the end of 2008, I actually heard about a round of layoffs in one of our financial services subsidiaries on Bloomberg before my carrier notified us in claims.

                In closing, I do not think a career in catastrophe claims would be right for you if you have to care for your child.  You will be on the road for weeks at a time (my company is 10 days on, 4 days off).  I have a good friend who loved being on the CAT team but his family could not handle it.  He is back behind a desk now.  If you do pursue a career in claims I wish you the best; you are in for a wild ride.  You will have an enormous opportunity to help people when they need it the most.  They may not always appreciate the coup or other amazing feat of adjusting skill you pull off for them but you will always know you helped them and that goes a long way. 

                Lastly, if you do take a job in claims, make sure you select the long term disability benefit.  Feel free to ignore everything else I said but take the long term disability benefit. 

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    05/17/2010 9:51 AM
    Thanks for the great advice PDP. I can handle stress no problem. There are only two of us in my current office working a book of 3000+ policy holders. In addition to that I do all the new sales, and am the go to person for all the emails, problems, complaints, claims prombles, etc. My day never stops, and when you get one problem solved, another one lurks around the corner. In addition to that I run a 501c non profit charity, have a second job on the weekends, and take care of my family with a disabled child. I know stress very well, we are best friends I think.

    The financial aspect of changing positions does worry me. I make a very good salary right now, and I have health insurance, although I have no retirement, disability, etc. I am 37 so I have to look at the fact that I will need retirement soon. I have an amazing background in the sales/service with multiple awards, licenses, and a designation. I guess I will look around to see what the best option is. I can also adjust life, workers comp, etc.
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    dchapman55
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    05/17/2010 12:59 PM
    Hello Gentlemen...and Ladies,

    I'm here to introduce myself as a new member of this site. I also hope to do some networking in an effort to get started in claims adjusting.
    My background is in the construction and roofing industries. For the past 10 years I have worked primarily in the roofing industry. I have had an independent adjusters license for the past 4 years although I have never specifically worked in the insurance industry. I was the guy who was meeting all of you other guys on the roof.

    I got my adjusters license to be better equipped when meeting adjusters to discuss roof damage claims.
    I want to transition from roofing sales into claims adjusting and I would like to meet a seasoned adjuster who might be interested in teaming up. I have worked several CATS over the years beginning with Andrew.
    As I said my expertise is in roofing although I also have an extensive background in all phases of construction. Not just book knowledge but hands on experience.
    If anyone out there is intersted in teaming up with reliable, knowledgeable trustworthy and etchical partner in an effort to close a greater volume of claims please fell free to get in touch with me.
    All inquiries will be greatly appreciated.

    P.S. I have just downloaded xactimate 27 trail version and I am trying to teach myself how to use it. Any pointers on how to become familiar with the program will also be greatly appreciated.
    I have worked with estimating programs over the years, but not xactimate.
     Thanks,
     Dave
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