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Last Post 11/21/2009 9:32 AM by  wscook
I smell a Goldmine for PAs
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wscook
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11/20/2009 1:20 PM

    A federal court ruling holding the Army Corps of Engineers, and the U.S. government by extension, liable for damage in New Orleans caused by Hurricane Katrina is unlikely to have much effect on the property-casualty industry, an Insurance Information Institute representative said.

    Speaking to NU Online, Loretta Worters, vice president of the I.I.I., said the industry has already paid out most of its Katrina-related losses, so the ruling should not impact insurers.

    But she said the ruling could open the government to exposure for millions of dollars in losses.

    The case involved a suit brought by six plaintiffs who contended the Corps did not properly maintain the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MRGO) leading up to Hurricane Katrina.

    The decision, reached in the United States District Court, Eastern District of Louisiana and written by Judge Stanwood R. Duval, Jr., states, “The failure to maintain the MRGO properly compromised the Reach 2 Levee and created a substantial risk of catastrophic loss of human life and private property due to this malfeasance. Nothing the Corps has introduced into evidence tips the balance in its favor.”

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    Judge Duval added, “It is the court’s opinion that the negligence of the Corps, in this instance by failing to maintain the MRGO properly, was not policy, but insouciance, myopia and shortsightedness. For over 40 years, the Corps was aware that the Reach II levee protecting Chalmette and the Lower Ninth Ward was going to be compromised by the continued deterioration of the MRGO, as has been exhaustively discussed in this opinion.”

    The New York Times reported that the government is expected to appeal the ruling.

    As for the possible liability to the government, Ms. Worters noted that the Flood Control Act of 1928 (FCA) protects the government from liability regarding flood damage, and said it will be interesting to see how the process plays out and what the government’s ultimate responsibility will be.

    Judge Duval addressed this matter in his decision, stating that the court denied a motion by the government contending that the court did not have jurisdiction over the subject matter in this case because of the (FCA). The language in question in the FCA reads, “No liability of any kind shall attach to or rest upon the United States for any damage from or by floods or flood waters in any place.” 

    Judge Duval wrote, “[T]his court found that the Corps could be held liable for damages arising out of activities surrounding a navigational channel notwithstanding the fact that those actions caused the failure of certain levees.”

    He explained, “For example, would the United States be immune for all damages if a Navy vessel lost control and broke through a levee where the sole cause of the failure of that levee was the Navy vessel’s negligence?”

    Essentially, Judge Duval said the court is required to “identify the cause of the damage rather than base a decision on the mere fact that a flood control project was involved.”

    William S Cook Public Adjuster/Umpire/Appraiser
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    ChuckDeaton
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    11/20/2009 4:17 PM
    Before you consider moving your operation to South Louisiana, my suggestion would be to discuss the move with legal counsel familiar with Louisiana law and with a PA named Earl Carr.

    The law and atmosphere in South Louisiana is materially different from that in Florida.
    "Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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    11/20/2009 8:15 PM

    So, let's see now. We ain't agonna be dealing with no insurance companies so that lets out the state court system. It's gonna be federale all the way. The P.A. boys will run on out and sign up the claimants. Will the WYO flood carriers be able to subrogate or does all they pay plus their service fee get reimbursed by NFIP, I can't remember? Will the huff & puff Army Corps. of Engineers be needing the very expensive services of we independents to be a go between in handling all these gajillions of liability claims? (Note I am using the correct terminology here. An Insured has a LOSS, while a non-Insured has a CLAIM.) Will there be $dollar limit on recovery set by the government? Seems like something in my brain is rattling in the box about that.

    I strongly anticipate the appeals courts will reverse this decision as I have seen for years on various TV shows how the political madness involving the money needed to work on the levees has been siphoned off for pork barrel projects. We all knew that what happened to New Orleans was just a matter of time. That the poor folks chose to live there and ignore the obvious is something I do not feel the least bit responsible for. Go ahead and slam me for that, but there is a lot of cheap dry land in west Texas just begging to be inhabited by a new New Orleans where there are no levees to burst.

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    11/20/2009 8:22 PM

    Now, how in the hell are ya gonna have Mardi Gras in West Texas?

    The folks out there have common sense!

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    11/20/2009 8:38 PM
    Posted By ChuckDeaton on 20 Nov 2009 04:17 PM
    Before you consider moving your operation to South Louisiana, my suggestion would be to discuss the move with legal counsel familiar with Louisiana law and with a PA named Earl Carr.

    The law and atmosphere in South Louisiana is materially different from that in Florida.
    Mr.Cook,
    You did well after  the 4 of '04. Bye!



     

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    Bobabooey
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    11/20/2009 9:59 PM
    Good. The PA's can go lie and steal in Louisiana so at least I won't have to deal with them lying and stealing in Texas. I can honestly say in 10 years I have never dealt with one PA that was not lying and stealing. Not one. I hope all of them go to new Orleans. They can all go somewhere else too as far as I am concerned.
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    11/20/2009 10:39 PM
    I personally know a few Public Adjuster's who possess very high personal and professional ethics. They can be your best friend or your worst enemy on a claim. There have been times working with a PA made life much more simple and the claims progressed to conclusion. I would like to think we paint with a more narrow brush. IMHO
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    11/21/2009 9:10 AM
    Good ole Judge Stanwood Duval has had tunnel vision on the whole flood/levee break/MRGO issue since day one in the Katrina mess and to the best of my knowledge every one of his rulings have been overturned by the 5th circuit as completely without basis. I believe it was 3 years ago this month when he came out with one of his 1st wonderful rulings, the one that said that the homeowners inusrance policy covered flood losses to begin with, and that little sanfu cost the industry and policyholders alike a lot of money getting his wayward opinions corrected. He has not had one ruling that I'm familiar with that favored a carrier or governmental agency out of the whole levee break/flood/MRGO issue. He was also the driving force behind the class action litigation on the Road Home issue which is a whole different can of worms he has created. He is a main reason that the 5th circuit has had plenty of work to do in the last 3 years or so.
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    11/21/2009 9:15 AM
    And I agree with Linda 100% about her comments on PA's. I have dealt with a few that were excellent to work with and served their purpose well. There are good ones and bad ones out there, and the same can be said for regular insurance adjusters.
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    11/21/2009 9:32 AM

    Thanks Chuck

    Earl Carr and I are good friends and have worked several projects together.  He cerrtainly is considered to be the Godfather of PA business in Louisana. 

    Any PA considering moving his practice to operate under LA laws would be well served to establish a dialog with Mr. Carr.

    Bill Cook

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