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Last Post 09/15/2009 12:29 PM by  claims_ray
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03/30/2009 12:54 PM
     A month ago we took a class from a CAT adjusting company near Dallas, TX that we will leave nameless, lets just call them "AM-SCAM".  
     
    We walked aout after two days because after "graduation" on Friday (5 day 0-to-adjuster advertisement) we read the end of the book and realized all we would be qualified for is to work for them, adjusting simple (roof/siding) claims.  They admitted on the phone that *IF* they contract you, you get bottom (no pay?) claims and you sign a contract that you cant work for any other adjuster company for 12 after leaving AM-SCAM. 
     
    We requested a refund, and during the conversation the director of education admitted thier website was "weak" in the prequalifications area and that in fact AM-SCAM *ASSUMED* each student had some background in adjusting/contractring/etc.  When the website says "no experience required", needless to say, AM-SCAM refused the refund.
     
    We disputed this with our credit card company claiming misleading advertisement.
     
    We received a 100% refund from the charge card company and a subsequent chargeback to AMSCAM.
     
    Hopefully this will let others considering a job in the field really think if they can go from 0-to-adjuster in 5 days (incl Xactimate)
     
    We're considering a 2 week class from a CAT adjusting school in Charlotte, NC.
     
    We're ideal for this field, we live full time in a RV (incl generator) and have have two 4wd diesel trucks.
     
    I am retired, she is laid off and we both are full of life, physically active and ready for challenges.
     
    That wasnt the intro I hoped for but I cant run through a scam and not try to warn others to wisely choose where they go to school.
     
    TIA
     
    If anyone cares to offer advice (on training schools) or anything else, we are all ears.
     
    TIA
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    okclarryd
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    03/30/2009 3:27 PM
    Peruse the many postings relative to the subject at hand and you'll find many quality recommendations for future employment with quality firms.

    In layman's terms, check out CADO and there's lots of stuff on who to work for
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    grsjms
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    03/31/2009 10:29 AM
    Thanks for the info, we'll do some reading here.
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    04/01/2009 6:42 AM
    TIA,
     
    I recommend Vale Tech or Pacesetter Tech.  Everyone accepts Vale but they do not hire.  Pacesetter Tech is a little less expensive and they hire people.  I've attended both and obviously recommend both.  I work for Pacesetter and so do many of my small graduating class.  On occassion, Pacesetter will let one of a husband wife team attend class and the other look on for only one price.  This is not always available, but with a little luck can be helpful to them and you.
     
    You should take advantage of the great opportunity ClaimsMentor offers.  Deb offers very low cost online classes that fill in the gaps left by the other schools.  It is a great community of mentors and new adjusters to compliment this site.
     
    Good luck, see you in the field.
     
    Randy Cox
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    04/02/2009 10:15 PM
    Try TexasInsuranceAcademy.com
     
    It's a new school, but they take time. They're running an Xactimate course evenings in Dallas from 7pm to 9pm which runs 5 days. I'm not sure what your experience was with AMSCAM, but  have to be honest. What did you expect? Most courses only promise to get you on your way to a new career. Two weeks is a minimum investment. 
     
    Get a few books on the subject, take another course and after an Xactimate course and basic adjusting course you'll be as ready as any body. It's still the best return on investment around. C'mon three weeks- a few hundred or even thousand dollars to a career that will earn you hundreds of thousands? I've lived it. It does work and it is real. Hard work yeah, but in these economic times this is a well kept secret! I'm putting my money on cat adjusting.
     
    Any ways, check out Texas Adjuster Academy. I found them to be helpful and honest. 
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    04/03/2009 1:28 AM
    Posted By Mike123 on 02 Apr 2009 10:15 PM
    ... C'mon three weeks- a few hundred or even thousand dollars to a career that will earn you hundreds of thousands? I've lived it. It does work and it is real. Hard work yeah, but in these economic times this is a well kept secret!  
    Just remember, it all depends on the weather.  There are years without a hurricane Ike or Katrina, where most independents sit on the bench because the carriers' own staff can take care of the routine storm claims.
     
    Once you have been placed on "standby" enough times without getting deployed, the honeymoon will be over.

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    04/03/2009 5:52 PM
    C'mon three weeks- a few hundred or even thousand dollars to a career that will earn you hundreds of thousands? I've lived it. It does work and it is real.


    ...Thus Spake Zarathrustra!, the Appleby's Parking Lot attendant.
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    04/04/2009 12:41 PM
    I  entered this field on a high risk stake. I was told take a class and get licenesd everywhere possible and someone will hire you. I left my full time job of 13 years with stability and benefits, made just enough to pay the bills and get by between pay checks. After three to four months spending money on this and that class with the belief that i would be hired, which did'nt happen quick enough, i suddenly found myself wondering what have i done. I left a stable job on hopes that this would work out!!! Tried to go back to my previous work only to find out my position had been filled, but could reapply and wait for months longer hoping a spot would come.Istarted calling vendors, spending long hours from daylight to dark looking online and researching in desparation for any vendor anywhere to just gice me a chance before i lost everything. Fortunately i eventually was picked up by a small vendor with steady day work who helped me along the way, even giving me advances to keep afloat until the carrier(s) paid the invoice. But one of my claims managers stated the follwing to me one day during a converstaion of the long struggles into the field that left me wondering  what was i thinking, he is right, and i was very naive. He stated " Think about it, one can make an average of six figures  year, sevral hundred thousand on a very good year in this field. There are professionals who spent many years in school to make that kind of money. So for one to belive that he or she can spend two weeks in school and payout a few hundred or thousand dollars and go make that kind of money quickly is very gullible". It is true what he said, this is specialized field that demands alot of knowledge, and will pay well. But like any other field you can't expect to start at the top making the same money others do that have spent many years and have extensive experience dealing with losses.Just my .02.
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    04/14/2009 10:25 PM
    Posted By BobH on 03 Apr 2009 01:28 AM
    Posted By Mike123 on 02 Apr 2009 10:15 PM
    ... C'mon three weeks- a few hundred or even thousand dollars to a career that will earn you hundreds of thousands? I've lived it. It does work and it is real. Hard work yeah, but in these economic times this is a well kept secret!  
    Just remember, it all depends on the weather.  There are years without a hurricane Ike or Katrina, where most independents sit on the bench because the carriers' own staff can take care of the routine storm claims.
     
    Once you have been placed on "standby" enough times without getting deployed, the honeymoon will be over.



    What did we expect?   Only what AMSCAM advertised "no experience required" and then to have the head of the education department admit "yea, the website is weak in that department, we ASSUME you have some ... background".  LIARS!  At least we got a 100% chargeback to them.   They never even contested Visa's letters of our challenge.
     
    Anyway,
     
    Thanks for the replies, we are cautiously looking for new training and understand this is a "wait till needed" field.
     
    Right now we are looking at a 5 day course in basic adjusting and 5 days in Xactimate.  Then we hope to taqke the next level up in training after we get activated.   There is just so much to learn.  At least we live full time in an RV so we can travel at will and stay as long as there is work.
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    04/15/2009 3:47 PM
    Adter a 10 day course you will know much more than you do now. Work for the next 4 years and 355 days working regular claims and then you can call your self an adjuster with sr. status that deserves a promotion, or go to work for an insurance carrier that will train you for 6-12 months.
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    06/16/2009 10:36 AM
    I took the basic adjusting class from "AM-Scam" back in 2006.  I have since taken several courses through many reputable companies and the AMCAT basic adjusting course was the best I have ever been to.  Great group of guys.  I have since recommended it to several friends and I'm sure it will lead to their sucess when it's time to deploy this hurricane season. 
     
    I can tell you that once deployed, their staff will be willing to take time to work with new adjusters to make sure they are sucessful.  I had Xactimate problems from day one.  Very high level employees took time out of their daily duties to help me work through them.  Their supervisors answer phones when you have questions and they never have a negative attitude. 
     
    Good luck getting that from another company. 
     
     
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    09/15/2009 12:29 PM
    I can tell you that once deployed


    Don't you mean IF deployed and IF there is a need for untried and inexperienced adjusters are needed?
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