2roadrunnersGuest Posts:22
03/05/2009 9:43 PM |
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This has probably been answered somewhere in this forum before but I haven't really found a complete, definitive answer.
I live in Michigan and am recently TX All Lines licensed. Following that I was fortunate enough to be deployed and worked IKE for about 6.5 weeks for an independent company out of SC. What an experience! I know I probably did this backwards due to likely bad advice…I am now in the process of obtaining my resident Michigan license so I can do some work here in my home state, if and when that opportunity arises.
I read a great article several months ago written by Daniel Kerr that gave some basic reciprocity guidelines and mentioned some of the states that did and/or did not accept the non-resident TX All Lines.
My questions are: Other than MI at this point, which states can I legally work as an independent agent? So far I have gleaned the following states will not let me work: CA/NY/AZ/MA/NV/HI Does this mean I can work the remaining states or are there exceptions to this too?
Thanks for your responses...
Herb
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03/05/2009 9:51 PM |
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Hope this helps
Copy and paste that into a browser...not sure how to link here.
What part of MI are you in?
(Note: I just fixed it so you can link to it. signed Steve Ebner)
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2roadrunnersGuest Posts:22
03/05/2009 10:48 PM |
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Hey Alex...
Thanks for the reply...I live in Berkley, a northwest suburb of Detroit. How about you? Gonna go look at that link to see if I can get a straight answer on this...I have been told so many different things about it...driving me nuts!
Herb
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ddreisbachMember Posts:172
03/06/2009 9:06 AM |
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Let me see if I can clarify: There are several states that DO NOT require an adjuster license: CO, D.C., IL, IN, IA, KS, MA, MD, MO, NE, NJ, ND, OH, SD, TN, VA, WI. PA requires a license for auto only. AZ, CA, HI, NV, NY do not reciprocate with any other states. You must meet resident state requirements. The rest are reciprocal with Texas. Please understand, you still have to be licensed in those states to do non-cat work. The reciprocity simply means they'll license you without an exam. Licensing for most states is done on-line thru NIPR or Sircon. If this is going to be your profession you should plan on spending several hundred dollars or more per year on licenses. The more states you're licensed in the better your chances of deployment. Looking at my license map, none of the states surrounding MI require licenses. You could pick up WV (cheap) and KY (expensive, but in demand because they require a bond) and have the north central states covered. The coastal states all require licenses, but if you assume a hurricane hit will be a cat you could skip them. David
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2roadrunnersGuest Posts:22
03/06/2009 11:33 AM |
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Thanks so much! So far, the most complete I've received! Hope this helps others... Herb
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hostCatAdjuster.org Founder Posts:709
03/06/2009 2:23 PM |
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You may have already received the information that you needed but if any additional general licensing information is needed you or any other visitors may wish to visit the CADO Licensing Page. On this page you will find these main areas of licensing information.
- Drop down menu: The drop down to the left provides a link to the State website, when you use it you will go directly to the website.
- US Map: You can click on a "red square" on the US map below for information on the State DOIs and some additional licensing information.
- Articles and bulletins: You can see the latest articles and bulletins below the map.
- We check the data often but if you find some that is wrong or no longer applies please drop us a note.
- DOI Web Site Search: On this page you can also search the DOI websites.
- ...more
If you have found additional information or the answer to your question then consider sharing it with the community.
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2roadrunnersGuest Posts:22
03/06/2009 3:15 PM |
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Thanks Roy...good reference page. Appreciate your help. What are your thoughts on Dave Dreisbach's answer regarding specific states as it relates to my original question? Is that worth posting somewhere for others to see? Herb
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Ray HallSenior Member Posts:2443
03/07/2009 1:04 PM |
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Am I correct? Many adjusters have the Texas non resident license. I understand the Texas rexipacal with other states ONLY applies to adjusters who live iin Texas?.
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03/07/2009 1:32 PM |
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That is a good question Ray, i have the non-resident license and it was always my understanding that the reciprocal would apply no matter what. I have heard of some people getting a PO box in Texas for that reason, but i guess it never intrigued me enough though as to why before now. Herb- I live in a little town called Clare, it is about 1.5 hours from anywhere else. Do you know the Mt.pleasant (CMU) area?
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BobHVeteran Member Posts:759
03/07/2009 2:47 PM |
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Posted By Ray Hall on 07 Mar 2009 01:04 PM
...I understand the Texas reciprocal with other states ONLY applies to adjusters who live in Texas?.
You don't have to be a resident of TX for the Texas adjuster license to be reciprocal with other states.
I am a resident of California. As noted previously, CA is one of the states that DOES NOT reciprocate with anyone. Yet I was able to get many other state licenses due to the reciprocal nature of my NON-RESIDENT Texas license.
If you ever met someone who had a NON-RESIDENT Texas license, and they experienced grief acquiring OTHER state licenses, that adjuster may have a home state that does not require an adjuster license at all, such as someone living in Colorado that had a Texas NON-RESIDENT license.
That scenario of living in a state that does not require a license may force you to submit hard copy written applications to the various reciprocal states. Sometimes you cannot do it through Sircon or NIPR if your state does not require an adjuster license.
Most states will acknowledge the fact that an exam was required to get the Texas non-resident license (and waive their state adjuster exam, grant the license if you pay the fees and apply for it). But there are exceptions.
I recently got my Oregon Non-Resident license, and had to take their test at Prometrics to get it, because they do not reciprocate with CA and would not honor the exam taken for my NON-RESIDENT Texas license. For the specific state of Oregon, your comment would be correct. They would waive the exam if I was a Texas resident, but made me take the test because I was a non-resident of Tx.
Remember folks, the business of Insurance is very much a "State" focused topic, not USA. Insurance Laws are generally at the "State" level with very few exceptions. The variations in the state's laws, statutes, and licensing requirements for Insurance can be significant.
Posted By Alex
I have heard of some people getting a PO box in Texas for that reason, but i guess it never intrigued me enough though as to why before now.
Falsifying where you live on a license application is not a good idea... Insurance adjusting is based upon a foundation of Truth, Honesty, and the real world. When you are looking at a loss, "it is what it is". You should not be swayed by the contractor or homeowner if the facts do not support their words. How can someone do that with a clear head, if they lie about their state of residence???
Adjusting is not a "get rich quick" activity, and anyone who falsifies an application for license will likely get caught eventually.
Bob H
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2roadrunnersGuest Posts:22
03/10/2009 7:28 PM |
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Thanks for all the good info guys...this is a great spot to get answers, advice, and good overviews of newby topics. I hope that this info is of use to others. Herb
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03/10/2009 9:29 PM |
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Florida resident must take the FL test or attend a class that exempts them from the test. A TX NR with not work.
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hostCatAdjuster.org Founder Posts:709
03/11/2009 12:13 AM |
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It appears that there is some bad information going out concerning licensing. Debbie of Dimechimes and ClaimsMentor sent out a link to article which relates a story about some Florida residents being told that if they spent the money for a Texas License then they could get the Florida License.
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BobHVeteran Member Posts:759
03/11/2009 12:26 AM |
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Thanks Roy. That is also a good example of how sometimes it matters if your resident state requires an Adjuster License or not.
The way the system works is:
1. If you are a Florida resident, you may take the Accredited Claims Adjuster Designation and be exempted from the state exam for the 5-20 Independent or 6-20 Company license, or take the state licensing test;
2. If you are a non-resident and your state requires adjuster licensing, you must have your home state's license before Florida will allow you to obtain the non-resident license;
3. If you are a non-resident and your state does not require adjuster licensing, you are eligible for the Florida non-resident license by taking the ACA Designation course.
Luckily my resident state requires a license, after I got that one I got the TX non-resident license, then Florida waived the exam (just like your linked article says). Of course you still have to pay fees, apply for the license, etc.
Bob H
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05/20/2009 12:26 PM |
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I am just getting started in adjusting, I live in Texas and have TX, LA and FL license. Which other states are best to be licensed in?
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ChuckDeatonLife Member Senior Member Posts:1110
05/20/2009 3:53 PM |
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Getting a Florida License, in Florida, will expose you to the most advanced electronic, computer based fingerprinting system I have seen. Florida uses one electronic fingerprinting system for everything in the state.
"Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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07/21/2009 9:12 AM |
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Great Comments! The whole licensing issue is very state specific and as a former licensing administrator I can verify most people get it wrong. Thanks Bob! Posted By BobH on 07 Mar 2009 02:47 PM
Posted By Ray Hall on 07 Mar 2009 01:04 PM
...I understand the Texas reciprocal with other states ONLY applies to adjusters who live in Texas?.
You don't have to be a resident of TX for the Texas adjuster license to be reciprocal with other states.
I am a resident of California. As noted previously, CA is one of the states that DOES NOT reciprocate with anyone. Yet I was able to get many other state licenses due to the reciprocal nature of my NON-RESIDENT Texas license.
If you ever met someone who had a NON-RESIDENT Texas license, and they experienced grief acquiring OTHER state licenses, that adjuster may have a home state that does not require an adjuster license at all, such as someone living in Colorado that had a Texas NON-RESIDENT license.
That scenario of living in a state that does not require a license may force you to submit hard copy written applications to the various reciprocal states. Sometimes you cannot do it through Sircon or NIPR if your state does not require an adjuster license.
Most states will acknowledge the fact that an exam was required to get the Texas non-resident license (and waive their state adjuster exam, grant the license if you pay the fees and apply for it). But there are exceptions.
I recently got my Oregon Non-Resident license, and had to take their test at Prometrics to get it, because they do not reciprocate with CA and would not honor the exam taken for my NON-RESIDENT Texas license. For the specific state of Oregon, your comment would be correct. They would waive the exam if I was a Texas resident, but made me take the test because I was a non-resident of Tx.
Remember folks, the business of Insurance is very much a "State" focused topic, not USA. Insurance Laws are generally at the "State" level with very few exceptions. The variations in the state's laws, statutes, and licensing requirements for Insurance can be significant.
Posted By Alex
I have heard of some people getting a PO box in Texas for that reason, but i guess it never intrigued me enough though as to why before now.
Falsifying where you live on a license application is not a good idea... Insurance adjusting is based upon a foundation of Truth, Honesty, and the real world. When you are looking at a loss, "it is what it is". You should not be swayed by the contractor or homeowner if the facts do not support their words. How can someone do that with a clear head, if they lie about their state of residence???
Adjusting is not a "get rich quick" activity, and anyone who falsifies an application for license will likely get caught eventually.
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08/01/2009 2:47 PM |
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Herb--I also worked Ike and Gustav as my first field CAT, often learning the hard way. Please contact me at richmar2@charter.net, so we can compare notes confidentially.
RRobinson
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08/01/2009 3:58 PM |
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In reference to Chuck’s post- I needed to get my fingerprints taken for the FL license, and they requested that they be taken electronically. I am from CO, and I went to the local police station, and they turned on the electronic scan pad, and the way it works is that they do all of your fingers at once, and then they do each finger individually.
The scan pad gives a “% of acceptable” output when each finger is completed. This is both looking at the individual finger scan for clarity and also comparing the scan to the earlier 5 finger scan to make sure there is a high correlation.
I had a few fingers which could not get a high enough % score to complete the test because of scars, worn down prints or whatever. The technician added more water to the scan pad, and that helped a bit, but still a couple more fingers need to be done to send the prints down to FL. She wanted to see if the machine was working, and she put her own finger on the scanner to see what would happen. The score came back above 90 percent for her finger, and this was comparing her finger to my 5 finger scan. She did it a few more times, and her fingers continued to get higher scores than mine did.
We both laughed, and she deleted those images and did hand prints / paper cards which were sent to FL. She said that the electronic thing gives a false sense of precision and the recognition software is not as good as one would think.
Roy's link is exactly what i found to be the case as one coming from a state with no license. I took the FL adjusters exam here (not an easy exam by the way), and another friend from CO got an online designation (ACA?) as a substitute for the exam and is now licensed in FL.
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08/02/2009 2:59 PM |
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We are FL residents. In 2006 my boyfriend got the TX Non-Res first then the FL resident. But I got my license in 2008 and I had to do the FL resident first then NR TX. But it was my u nderstanding things changed a bit when CFO Alex Sink took office.
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