| 01/06/2010 8:48 AM |
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When making a post on any forum, there's this little good manners thing we like to call, 'Please, no shouting'.
What we have here is not shouting.
What we do have here is a combination of screaming and screeching. Neither of these are acceptable in polite society. Please edit the fonts of your post to a lower level of expression. We thank you.
Ol' Ghost
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| 01/06/2010 10:56 AM |
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Would some one please bury this dead horse.
JWG
I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!
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Tom TollModerator & Life Member  Senior Member Posts:1865  
| 01/06/2010 10:57 AM |
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That's enough fellas, this is not helping the industry. Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
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| 01/07/2010 3:39 PM |
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We currently have three Navy Seals who are being court marshalled for "roughing up" the worlds most wanted terrorist during his recent capture!
YES! A war analogy. I am so frickin happy right now I can't even tell you how happy I am. I have been waiting for that for months now. Thanks Kev!!!!!!!
IT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE FOR INS CARRIERS AND CONTRACT IA COMPANIES TO PAT US ON THE BACK AND TELL US THAT WE ARE FREE TO CLIMB ANY ROOF THAT WE "ARE COMFORTABLE WITH" BUT DON'T EXPECT TO GET PAID ON THE CLAIMS YOU WONT CLIMB. YET NOT OFFER US ANY SORT OF PFAS TRAINING TO KEEP OUR KIND OUT OF THE HOSPITALS & MORGUE.
Ugh your shouting and screaming again........
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| 01/07/2010 3:47 PM |
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I really think Mr. Kramer is a great guy. Humor is an awesome part of life and he knows how to play it soooooo well.
Lets all join in a constant praise of one another and attempt to settle our differences like men.
I hope no-one on this site misquotes me as I have nothing but respect for Bob and Kevin Kramer. They are great individuals with promising careers in adjusting.
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BobH Veteran Member Posts:759 
| 01/07/2010 4:00 PM |
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Edit Jan 9, 2010: Jim thank you for revising the post above, no longer threatening another member.
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Jim, that's tough talk coming from someone hiding behind an anonymous name
(per your post some pages back).
Posted By JAustin on 11 Dec 2009 12:20 PM
...I for one choose to keep my identity on this site a secret...
This thread is about Steep roofs. If you have something to add to the topic, please begin. At least Kevin Kramer brings it back to the topic, and he knows more about it than anyone I have ever met. Bob H
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| 01/07/2010 4:50 PM |
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Whew! I hop off this thread for a few months and its a free-for-all.
Yes indeed this thread is about steep roofs Bob. Apparently its also filled with lots of criticism both earned and un-earned.
Lets all choose to see the humor and laugh at ourselves every now and then. If you guys continue to respond to some of these individuals you will give them new life over and over again.
I wouldn't dare give any of u on here any suggestions on what to do cuz honestly I think there are few people on this particular thread that actually have something constructive to say.
Hail season is just around the corner. Whether you working or not working, if your planning on climbing some steep roofs, attend one of the classes that are available to you. Use your search engines to look for steep and tall and then make up your own mind how you get your training. I would definately steer anyone away from listening to folks on a forum and looking at a few pics and then thinking you can apply that on your own. Take an actual class. Gets some hands on training climbing steep roofs, then get back on the forum and look at all the wonderful ideas that good guys like Bob have for you.
Take care out there. Remember static is good, dynamic is bad...........
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BobHVeteran Member Posts:759
| 01/07/2010 5:11 PM |
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Hi Danny, I was hoping you would pop-in cuz I wanted to apologize for butting heads with you earlier on Rope-grab vs, Gri-Gri (by Petzl). I loved the rope-grab for moderately steep roofs, but felt it was pucker-city descending a very steep roof with only a Rope-grab.
Maybe you saw a few pages back, I added a friction device (simple figure-8) to the Rope-grab and that gave me the control I wanted coming back down off a 12-12. I'm not saying it "has" to be added to maintain control, but it is one of the possibilities out there and I wasn't aware of it when we were airing this out previously.
And I agree with you on taking a class. I had been gathering equipment and "messing around" with this topic for a while. But it wasn't until I took formal training that I was able to connect the dots. I am still learning, and do not consider myself an expert on this topic. Bob H
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| 02/17/2010 2:02 PM |
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I would like to hear how anyone would inspect a 12/12 hip, with no extension, and a 5' ridge. Ok you can have an anchor on the front and back, but you really need to inspect the right and left slopes.
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| 02/17/2010 5:06 PM |
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highwinds you need to find BobH he is the steep wizard I can assure you most of the guys on this site do not reguarly walk around on much more than a 8/12 Cougar Paws or not I personally like all my parts exactly where they are I have been doing this for 40 yrs and learned how to adjust around a 10/12 or 12/12 slope I see no benefit in using a rope or harness then needing the fire departiment to come out and save me for under $250.00 which is about all I wil make on the basic hail claim
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| 02/17/2010 6:27 PM |
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I've seen those roofs and wondered. You could scope the hip ends from the ladder. For the long slopes you could rope over the center of the 5'ridge and anchor center both sides. Climb centered, and photo the ends from the ridge.
How about those steep almost square hip houses with 1 or 2 foot of ridge. I'm not letting my rope roll over a ridge! You could tie off guy ropes to keep it in place; I have seen those, thought about them, but haven't experienced them yet.
I'll get one! If you don't turn 'em back in, they soon figure out who to give 'em to. Those long ladders on your rack might also draw the steep ones!
If you can't do that, just scope from the ladder. If they don't accept it, ask them to pay for a JLG lift. Most people with commercial construction have experience and certifications for those. There's always a way.
If a roofer can roof it; we can scope it!
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BobHVeteran Member Posts:759
| 02/17/2010 6:37 PM |
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Posted By highwinds on 17 Feb 2010 02:02 PM
I would like to hear how anyone would inspect a 12/12 hip, with no extension, and a 5' ridge. Ok you can have an anchor on the front and back, but you really need to inspect the right and left slopes.
I agree with you - it is a challenge. But like anything else, you start somewhere and increase your skills. For someone climbing a simple gable roof with a huge ridge running the full length of the roof, it can still feel scary simply because it is STEEP and one isn't that familiar with your new tools (rope & harness). Once you get familiar with the simple ones, and have confidence, the hips and cut-up roofs are less intimidating.
The purpose of roping off is so you DON'T fall, and once you have the basics there is a foundation to expand upon. One always has to respect the limitations & be safe out there.
I don't consider myself an expert at this, lot's of people have this experience but may not post here. Bob H
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Ray HallSenior Member Posts:2443 
| 02/17/2010 7:10 PM |
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| 02/19/2010 7:30 PM |
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Posted By highwinds on 17 Feb 2010 02:02 PM
I would like to hear how anyone would inspect a 12/12 hip, with no extension, and a 5' ridge. Ok you can have an anchor on the front and back, but you really need to inspect the right and left slopes.
There is no absolute answer as each roof will be different, but if there is a chimney, you can wrap around it sometimes. Just use your head and be safe.
JWG I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!
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Tim_Johnson Member Posts:243
| 03/16/2010 6:31 PM |
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Rappelling Thieves Steal $75M in Drugs in Connecticut
Can anyone testify as to the exact whereabouts of Bob H this past Saturday night?
Tim Johnson
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| 03/31/2010 6:08 PM |
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I did Kevins steep and tall class. It was excellent. I got a lot of good information that day and not just about climbing steep and tall. I have also trained with US Staffing. I saw the climbing school and have to say that compared with Kevins facility its a distant second. |
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