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Last Post 03/30/2007 10:37 AM by  Jud G.
Moisture Meter
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Buford Gonzales
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03/20/2007 5:58 PM
This happens to all my threads. This is a thinned skinned business, God Forbid you say something ugly.
Wes
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03/20/2007 6:34 PM
Yep we all misread Bufords opening post but we can get back on track. I own the Dri Eaz tool. It is very simple, inexpensive and will detect even the slightest moisture although it gives you no read out on what the actual percentage maybe. I of course can also recognize wet drywall by eyesight and touch but the tool helps me to explain to the insured why the walls need to be torn down half way up and the carpet needs to be pulled and most likely a very expensive service needs to be called in to mitigate. That loud fast beeping noise goes a long way in the insureds mind of letting them know that all your suggested repairs are warranted.
margar1
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03/20/2007 6:39 PM

Mr Gonzales.

Are you an adjuster or contractor?

 

Mark S Garland
Buford Gonzales
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03/20/2007 6:47 PM
I'm an adjuster, however I was a contractor for 25 years.
Buford Gonzales
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03/20/2007 6:51 PM
If i have to I will buy the wet check. The meter seems to be iexpensive and I;m tired of spending money to be an Adjuster. One company required an active copy of Xactimate last year prior to Hurrican seson. So myself and quite a few others got stuck with xactimate and no deployment.
Buford Gonzales
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03/20/2007 6:58 PM
I've been to the Servpro Seminar here in Dallas, and I Knew the owner of the company as a client for another business I own. I am not impressed with these companies, but I will call them and the $299 dollar meter and the $7000 dollar Infra Red Device to test the walls. Thanks for the Suggestion Tom. I also Liked what Malvi had to say, in fact this has been a good conversation overall. I wish we could continue it over some Servasos.
margar1
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03/20/2007 7:03 PM

I agree totally do yourself and the Insurance industry a big favor. Stop pursuing a career as an adjuster and return to driving nails. Expense such as estimating software ( Xactimate )  and other equipment is the norm. It appears that with your overwhelming amount of knowledge that this industry is years away from someone with your abilities.

I mean why with your skills would you need Xactimate. I suppose you are probably capable to provide adequate  line item pricing off the top of your head. If you do actually maintain a valid adjusters license I am amazed.

Someone should send an all points bulletin to track down and locate any verification of your valid license and re- evaluate.

 

Mark S Garland
margar1
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03/20/2007 7:10 PM
In other words Buford you are a joke. But what do you expect when you buy  you're license out of a cracker jack box !
Mark S Garland
Buford Gonzales
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03/20/2007 7:17 PM
Thanks for making my point marjar1. I did get all of you submissions before they were pulled by the CADDO Gods. I agree with a lot of what you say, however, I can download Xactimate on site, so I don't understand the need to be stuck with a copy I don't really need at this time. I only have so much room in my Pickup and I do not wish to fill it with unneeded tools. I would also like to keep some of the money I earn out there, so that is why I was looking for an inexpensive mdter in case I am forced to purchase one. All of my licenses are valid, along with my Instructor Credentials, and Licenses.
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03/21/2007 8:24 AM
I think we are missing the point. If you end up in mediation, arbitration or worse court. Who is more believable the guy that says I felt the drywall (with my highly calibrated hand ;) and it was not wet. Or the Professional that had the right tools and can document that this area was wet and this ajoining area was not.
Buford Gonzales
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03/21/2007 9:35 AM
I can tell when a roof is hail damaged by looking at it. I can tell when wind damage or flood damage has occurred by looking at it. My point is if we are to be considered professionals shouldn't our observations be enough. I don't claim to be the best, I just believe there comes a point when we have to be accepted as professionals and the experience we bring to the table should count for something.
katadj
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03/21/2007 10:14 AM
Buford,

It is extremely obvious to many that you have not been associated as an adjuster for any length of time.

We ALL have the same credo when it comes to claim handling " TREAT EVERY CLAIM AS IF IT IS GOING TO COURT" and that is what any professional adjuster/appraiser/ inspector will do.

In court, your "hand held" and "visual evidence will fall far short of the materials presented by the opposition, of engineering reports, photographs, approved instrument readings and all mechanical devices implemented by the "professionals" to prove their case.

Please , whatever it is you now do, "DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB" unless of course, it is as an adjuster.

What a complete waste of intelligence this has become.
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new... Albert Einstein"
Buford Gonzales
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03/21/2007 10:39 AM
I am doing some Liability work at this time, hand written claims and all. We record everything and we call in experts. Liability does end up in court so I'm used to it.
Tom Rongstad
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03/21/2007 10:47 AM

It is apparent many Catastrophe Adjusters today are nasty vultures. Perched in their homes, watching the weather channel, just waiting to prey on the death and destruction of property suffered by innocent persons. They can then pick the occurrence apart and line their pockets and bellies with the spoils of the disaster. These persons can be found all over this forum and they boast how good, honest and exact they are. In fact they actually believe there is no one more qualified to respond to the occurrence than their selves.

 

What a shame.

 

And now, during a time when there is no death and destruction of property to innocent persons occurring, the beast within is unfed and hungry. Therefore, the vultures are now preying on each other with insults in an embarrassing way.

 

May the next catastrophe occur in the year 2525. By then, the vultures of today would have found a different source of food and left this profession. What a great dream.

 

If the shoe fits, you will respond to this post.

 

Tom Toll
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03/21/2007 10:50 AM
Buford, I guess I am one of those thin skinned gods you speak of, but I will not delete any of your posts, unless you are rude and unjust to another adjuster or specific entity. I always feel it is best to leave absurd and ridiculous posts on CADO for all the adjusting community to view, so they can evaluate the intelligence level of individuals making the posts. Vendors and Insurance companies also look at CADO, so, if I were you, I would, post hence, make intelligent remarks.

In this industry, we don't buy toys, we buy instruments to guide us in our evaluation of losses. Every tool that we have makes us more professional, not in appearance, but in fact. A moisture reading device is a good tool to have, as some drywall that looks wet, is not necessarily wet and sometimes moisture does not show by visual inspection or by the feeling by hand, hence, the moisture meter read out is our guide.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
Buford Gonzales
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03/21/2007 11:03 AM
Some of the posts were deleted from some of the other posters. I recieved them in my responses and could not find them in the thread. I was refering to the Carriers and IA Firms out there, however if you think the comment was about you in paticular then it must have been. I try not to take this stuff to serious.
malvi
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03/21/2007 12:04 PM

Tom:

There are vulture Staffers and Stormers. There are also vulture carriers and vendors just like there are dishonest insured, contractors, and restoration companies. Thank God, there are also many (I think the majority fall in this category) honest, hard working staffers, stormers, vendors, contractors, and restoration companies. Along with carriers that deliver, what they promised in exchange for the premium dollar that the honest law abiding insured has paid for.

Malvi

wscook
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03/26/2007 9:44 AM
The absence of moisture in a previously wetted sheetrock may not be evidence that the sheetrock is not damaged because of the water that was once there. It may mean that the inspector is to late to determine the moisture content from the moisture intrusion present just after the event. Other factors can be used to determine the integrity of the sheetrock.
William S Cook
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Ray Hall
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03/26/2007 10:29 AM
Moisture Meter required by adjusters on inspections. I don,t think so. This sounds like a death wish list to me.  This tool would be like a mold and termite sniffer if an adjuster used it on one of my losses and sent in HIS opine based on a meter." Cut off forever".
margar1
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03/26/2007 9:43 PM

RAY HALL

I am in no way suggesting a moisture meter be a mandatory tool for loss inspections. However I would like for you to answer me one question.

While inspecting a water loss where the dwelling has been dried to industry standards. How do you determine when sheet goods ( vinyl flooring ) is not holding moisture. As I am sure you are aware of vinyl flooring in itself is a moisture trap. Unlike carpet a relay is not possible so determining the moisture content is a must.

As I am sure you will agree shooting from the hip is not the proper approach. I feel it is an injustice to both the insured and Carrier to not use proper equipment when necessary.  I feel that it is the adjusters job to inspect and determine the cause, origin, and repair. It is also painfully obvious that there are unknowns and if there are tools to assist with determining those unknowns we should apply them.

I also believe that if adjusters are equipped with the proper equipment it will benefit us. It will assist in keeping dishonest restoration contractors in check. Or do you plan on using the contractors drying reports and pay  accordingly. If we as adjusters would get " tooled up " it would benefit the industry as a whole.

That is is my opinion for what it is worth.

Mark S Garland
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