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Last Post 07/10/2009 10:58 AM by  Ray Hall
Nationwide HO with NFIP flood inside the policy
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Ray Hall
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08/16/2008 4:38 PM

    Nationwide is requesting permission to put the NFIP policy inside one of their own policys and I think it would be a Homeowners "risk of loss" policy. This would be a good marketing tool as all the Flood damage would be underwritten by the Fed. Or you could look at it as 100 % reinsurance on the flood peril.

    I am assuming I am the adjuster on a building within 100 feet of the Atlantic or GOM. If the single policy was a DP- I can see problems with ACV problems on percentage of wind-flood damage allocation. I have worked approx.440 wave wash losses and never thought for one second the pecentage could be 0% for either peril. I usally thought something like 75% flood if they had both coverage and more like 50/50 if they only had one. Now this is not facts or science it is claim adjusting "wave wash 101"

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    08/17/2008 4:19 PM
    Only thing I've heard on this was that they had mentioned to the MS Ins Commish that they wanted to look at writing HO policy that also included the flood coverage for areas with flood exposure. Haven't heard about it in any other states, or any other typs of policies. If you did have have one policy that covered wind and flood with no underlying limits ($250,000 for flood, but NW provided excess), and just had the NFIP reinsurance for the 260K limit, it would make life a lot easier to handle the claims and better for the insured.
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    08/18/2008 8:31 AM

    Nationwide now has alot of info up on their site on the proposed new Enhanced HO:

    http://www.nationwide.com/newsroom/...oposal.jsp

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    Ray Hall
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    08/18/2008 11:56 AM

    This article sounds like if a person has the Nationwide policy, 100% of all the wind/flood damage will be covered up to the usual  limitations. I tried to print out the PDF policy to read it myself.

    The APS would be a very big problem if the white picket fence was flat on the ground from seaweed entangled in the pickets. Also the detached auto garage had the metal door pushed to the back wall and the back wall was washed out, but the two perpendicular side walls remain. I have to read this little flood bonanza myself. Not a shingle missing on the roof and the adjuster says its all wind. How about all the rugs that had muck blown into them.. Oh boy, lets hook up with Nationwide, if the fee bill is not 25% less than NFIP billing schedule( It should be as you are working both losses at the same time and you Texas Red Necks make too much anyway).

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    08/19/2008 12:31 PM

    With further reflection this is really a good plan. I would think the policy for perils other than flood would not be issued if  flood was not included. The HO section would not be a standard ISO HO-3 and the gaps could be covered. Very good Nationwide this is when private insurance is trying to meet consumers needs.

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    08/25/2008 12:21 PM

    This is a topic that IA adjusters should chime up on. We are citizens, taxpapers and require basic and expanded property insurance. After Katrina the governmemt wanted to rake over both wind/fllod. Nationwide is using the NFIP as the reinsurance carrier for the devastation peril of flood. Now lets cry out to the carriers and the press to get the other carriers competing for this business.

    Just keep in mind if your primary residece in near an ocean the wind/flood insurance should be about 400% higher that other less risky locations.

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    sbeau4014
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    08/25/2008 3:25 PM

    Ray,
    I get the impression that there are only certain factions of the "government" that wanted to take both the wind /water perils into a new form that would combine the two perils in one coverage form,.  It would have added ALE and maybe business interruption for flood, upgrade the other structures coverage, insure basements for flood, etc. This faction was spearheaded mainly by the senators and representatives from the gulf coast states as their constituants would be the ones that would most benefit from it. That being said, you can count on the fact the rest of the country would be subsidizing their low costs, and the coastal exposure wouldn't be charged for the risk involved, just like they weren't under the flood program.  Other provisions limited the amount of rate increases per year.  I for one would love to see a policy that would cover flood and wind together with little or no gaps in coverage, but would prefer to see it done by the private industry vs the government as we all know how well they can run things. By the way, the 2-3 times that the gulf states have tried to push their version of the mupti-peril flood bill it has been shot down by congress, Bush has come out against it (said he would veto it if it made it to his desk) and McCain has also come out against it.  Haven't seen how Obama sits on it, but there has been a vote on the senate floor, so if he voted it might tell. Don't know how to look that up from here. The last vote in the senate was 73 against it and 19 for it, and I think that was about 4 months ago.

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    08/25/2008 5:13 PM

    Thanks to Meg for the link to Obama's voting record which I'll put at the end of this.  I'll cut and paste the time frame of the last voting on how he voted, or didn't on the flood coverage issues:

    124 2 5/13/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4737 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To increase the supply and lower the cost of petroleum by temporarily suspending the acquisition of petroleum for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
    Amendment Agreed to (97-1, 3/5 majority required) Yea
    123 2 5/13/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4720 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    Of a perfecting nature.
    Amendment Rejected (42-56, 3/5 majority required) Nay
    122 2 5/08/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4715 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To provide that no changes in flood insurance status for any areas located in the St. Louis District of the Corps of Engineers can go into effect until the remapping process is completed for that entire District.
    Amendment Agreed to (68-24) Not Voting
    121 2 5/08/08 On the Motion (Motion to Waive S. Con. Res. 21, 110th, Sect. 201, re: Dodd Amdt. No. 4707)
    In the nature of a substitute.
    Motion Agreed to (70-26, 3/5 majority required) Not Voting
    120 2 5/07/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4705 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To require the Comptroller General to conduct a study regarding mandatory purchasing requirements.
    Amendment Rejected (30-62) Not Voting
    119 2 5/07/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4723 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To allow for a reasonable 5-year phase-in period for adjusted premiums.
    Amendment Rejected (23-69) Not Voting
    118 2 5/07/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4722 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To increase maximum coverage limits.
    Amendment Rejected (27-66) Not Voting
    117 2 5/07/08 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4719 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
    To provide for the optional purchase of insurance against loss resulting from physical damage to or loss of real property or personal property related thereto located in the United States arising from any flood or windstorm.
    Amendment Rejected (19-74) Not Voting
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    Here is the link to his site and voting record:

    Click here: Barack Obama - U.S. Senator for Illinois

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    Ray Hall
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    08/25/2008 10:43 PM

    I am not for federal wind/flood coverage at all. I am not for people who total losses to property getting federal handouts each time it floods. As I recall your house can only flood three times if its insured by FLOOD. Now that seems not fair, as the people who have never paid a cent for flood insurance can keep getting handouts. I thought one part of the handout was go to an agent and buy a policy and then the house was in the system.

    I think its great business for Nationwide to buy the reinsurance from NFIP and then change the ALE coverage to cover this expense, EVEN if 99% is solely from flood. You know the others will rush in and when you get one you have to get both. The underwriters would cherry pick the risk as is their right. BUT the houses next to the beach will be zillions if the can be built and washed away, build and washed away. Hell in the outter banks  of NC each house is 750 k to 1 mil value with a 20 foot sand dune holding back the Atlantic Rated as an A ZONE. Its politics and bankers nothing more. The should insure these houses under an inland marine yacht policy, but the darn things will not float.

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    Ray Hall
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    07/10/2009 10:58 AM

    Any of you Nationwide savy persons up to date on the flood coverage inside their Homeowers policy that was a topic this time last year?

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