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"Muffled Cries" story of adjuster killed in Tampa in Nov 04 reruns 9/22/07 at 6:30pm ET
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StormSupport
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09/18/2007 10:23 PM

Joe,

I sense your passion regarding this subject and although I'm not quite sure what in my post awakened the passion of your reply to me,  I in no way either advocated nor condemned the carrying of a weapon.  If that's what you thought by my post, you should re-read it and see that I was only advocating the knowledge of self defense and always being alert to your circumstances.  

My personal choice would be to flee if given the opportunity, rather than "take a stand" and fight, but that's just me.  I would neither say yeah or nay to someone else's choices.  Actually, I am in favor of a person's right to carry a weapon, but unfortunately not everyone who has one either is responsible nor is competent in its use.  But that's another topic for another place. 

In a situation where brute force would be necessary, I'd I would use any means necessary to defend myself, as would all of us (I'd imagine) up to and including whatever weapon was available.    I lived alone on the Blue Ridge Parkway with no neighbors for miles for many years and believe me, I had a gun in my house although fortunately I never had to use it. 

 

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09/18/2007 11:16 PM

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09/18/2007 11:34 PM

One of the first things taught in any Police Academy or CCW course is a weapon is your LAST RESORT! I know officers that have been very foutunate over their careers that have only pulled a weapon once. Granted today, that is changing fast. Trying to back out of the situation is always the best if that can be done. I have had the receiving end of a weapon aimed at me and was able to difuse the situation by staying as calm as I could and backing away. Yes, I was very lucky.

Like Larry, I too have weapons. Carrying them into an insured's house or rental property does not enter my mind as if you do not have the weapon readily available, what good does it do? If you have it tucked in your boot or strapped on your leg, I do not believe the person who is pointing a weapon at you or has a knife is going to allow you the time to pull up your pant leg and let you get your weapon. Even the outline of a weapon can be very intimidating to someone and this could turn a claim south very quickly.

A great many of the physical attacks on women occur from behind. Sometimes defense can be used, but again, keeping your senses when all cain is breaking loose is hard to do. How many times have  you read where in a police shoot out 25 rounds were fired by the police and 2-3 rounds struck the subject? These are trained people and their adreniline is at it's peak. For us who are not in that field, the odds get higher that we may not make the 10 ring. 

Over time, we all get to know our comfort level for situations. Even then, we can be fooled. During Andrew, adjusters were sitting at lights, had the windows rolled up and were still attacked and items stolen from them. There is no real answer as each of us have to learn our levels, ask questions about the area we are being assigned to and if needed, have someone with us as back-up.

 

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09/19/2007 5:40 PM
Hey, I am with you guys....I said that if I can wak away, I will....If i can run away I will......but if I can not do either of those for whatever reason, then I am in for 100% and let the chips fall where they may....

Rocke..congrats on your survival...good job!!

Larry...thanks, but I got enough.........
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09/19/2007 7:18 PM
I know its a cliche, but I would suggest for anyone concerned to take a self defense class. Anyone who has taken a martial arts or similar class is a little better prepared to get out of a situation than someone who hasn't. Noticed I said "get out of". I do not advocate for anyone to stand and fight. But a few simple moves can help you escape a situation.

I have shown my wife a couple moves, one in particular i feel is most effective for her, I suggested if she is ever attacked and dragged off somewhere, she should just submit at first, then start talking, just keep talking, before long, her attacker will drop her off somewhere just to get away. I know I would anyway. Not really.
I know the voices aren't real, but sometimes they're right!
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09/19/2007 9:47 PM

If  lady is attacked or threatened by a male, and facing him, you have built in weapons. Take your fingernails, or finger and shove it into his eyeballs as hard as you can. If your lucky and get behind the eyeball, pull it out of the socket, then run like heck. You car key will penetrate at eye ball really quick. Sounds gross, but what is he trying or going to do with you, have not pity on anyone threatening you or grabbing you. Its impossible to see to continue to attack if you have done your job right.

I was taught by one of the best Judo masters around. He told me time and time again, anything goes in self defense, period. Be nasty about hurting and wounding your attacker, if you have the opportunity.

 

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09/20/2007 7:37 AM
I don't carry a gun while inspecting and I respect the rights of those who legally carry them. You better know the gun laws of not only the state you are working in but the state you are travelling through. I think you can never know when some wacko is going to try to harm you. I believe the adjuster in Tampa stubbled onto something she shouldn't have seen and thats why she was killed. NO claim is worth dying for or even getting hurt. Learn to walk away. I was attacked in a very rural area in Florida while doing a flood inspection because I would'nt . I was bigger and meaner than my attacker and got away with out being hurt. I have also been greeted by scantilly clad insured's which could turn out worse that being physically attacked. Each time I turned around and walked away. You alway's have to be aware of your surroundings and if something seems wrong it probably is. Working in LA taught me that there are folks out there that will kill you for fun.
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09/21/2007 1:01 AM

I have thought about carrying a gun and now I think I will.  I have looked at many vacant homes in the middle of nowhere with crack pipes laying around.  Call me what you will, but the last one I looked at was a home in the middle of a corn field.  There was not another home in site.   There were crack pipes everywhere and I was scared to death to enter the home.  No electricity and opening doors to empty rooms with beer cans everywhere.  I did not like it one bit.

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09/27/2007 8:13 AM
Here is another thought to ponder. I will never go on an appointment with inside damage when a minor is the only party present. The 'my son or daughter' will be home after school is a no go. The possibility of sexual misconduct allegations is not worth it. If you are accused you are guilty until proven innocent.
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09/27/2007 4:09 PM

Les, very good projection and very true. Fortunately my wife and I work together most of the time, so thats no problem. A single adjuster should be very careful if an insured opens the front door scantily clad, or a minor is the only one there. Society has gone nuts and some will use anything they can to get to you. Good information, Les.

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09/28/2007 3:20 PM
Posted By Tom Toll on 09/27/2007 4:09 PM

Les, very good projection and very true. Fortunately my wife and I work together most of the time, so thats no problem. A single adjuster should be very careful if an insured opens the front door scantily clad, or a minor is the only one there. Society has gone nuts and some will use anything they can to get to you. Good information, Les.

Tom,

Yes, society has gone nuts and minors/people can be very creative. I am single and work alone so I NEVER do an inside inspection with a minor. I have had women make 'suggestions' and may start a new personal policy of no inside inspections with only a female present.

Les

 

 

 

 

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11/13/2014 2:37 PM

Tampa family still grieving insurance adjuster's brutal murder 10 years ago

"TAMPA, FL (WFLA) -She was just doing her job when 10 years ago Katrina Froeschle was one of many insurance adjusters who went out to inspect damage after a series of hurricanes moved across the Bay area. She worked for Farm Bureau. That inspection ended in her brutal murder." 
http://www.wfla.com/story/27373586/...ater 

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