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Last Post 06/14/2010 1:45 PM by  Jud G.
Oil spill
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Ray Hall
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05/28/2010 12:51 PM
yea I know, I was flabbergasted when I read the post above yours, but this site does not have a wrong info fiilter.
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Olegred
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05/29/2010 9:20 PM
top kill didn't work...
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05/30/2010 7:15 AM
Ray,

This is one of the problems of todays claims corps. Specialty work (working cats only handling workers comp only...) negates the person from learning all facets of claims. Sadly this seems to be the norm and not an exception. Many get into a single line and never want to venture out of the box they are in. The carriers are just as guilty. Very few in the staff position are familiar with all the different lines or what goes into handling the loss.
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05/30/2010 8:49 AM

Who requires this training?

In addition to various state references, the US Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) all require 40-hour Hazwoper training for those employees participating in oil spill response operations.

OSHA’s publication entitled “Training Marine Oil Spill Response Workers under OSHA's Hazardous Waste Operations and Emergency Response Standard” explains how HAZWOPER training, is required for all marine spill response operations conducted under the National Contingency Plan (NCP).  The NCP defines oil as any kind of oil in any form, including petroleum, fuel oil, sludge, oil refuse, and oil mixed with wastes but not dredged spoil (dirt or rock).

Response actions conducted under the NCP must comply with the provisions of HAZWOPER. You'll find this requirement in 40 CFR 300.150. Therefore, if your workers are participating in a response action under the NCP, you must have an occupational safety and health program consistent with HAZWOPER and you must train your workers according to HAZWOPER's training requirements. This applies whether the responsible party or a government agency is directing the cleanup.

For marine oil spill emergency response, the HAZWOPER provisions that most directly apply include:

 

  • Emergency response operations in HAZWOPER paragraph (q), and
  • Post-emergency response cleanup operations in paragraph (q)(11).
Bummer
I thought I would only need Citizen training to work this year
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05/30/2010 11:57 AM
Now you have posted this information there will be 5 new training schools by Tuesday offering the Hazwoper training for adjusters, soon we will have 2000 new adjusters asking where the work? The circle of life goes on.
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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ALANJ
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05/30/2010 3:42 PM
Sad to Report

HAZWOPER classes are already online and available. Sometimes Google can be a bad thing. $350.00 and never leave home.

P.S. before taking a job ask if Ole will be your boss. If the answer is yes, run.
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Ray Hall
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05/30/2010 6:04 PM
I think I am to frail to wear a yellow slicker suit for 12 hrs per day, and why would we need a hard hat on the beach, I really need more sun protection and must have my jun gle hat. Are the white sneekers that look new furnished by BP. I will just WOW only one more day to cane season.

I have seen cow chips, oops explosions from Mexican cattle in Ector County TX. who were poisoned by petroleum/salt water around pump jacks, but large brown pelicans flying overhead, that is the need for the hard hats. But I have a lot of bovine experience, if Grand Isle, or Port Forschon have any feed lot herds that are loosing market price, I will consult.
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05/30/2010 10:09 PM
Posted By Ray Hall on 28 May 2010 12:51 PM
yea I know, I was flabbergasted when I read the post above yours, but this site does not have a wrong info fiilter.


Hello Ray
I understand that they are liability claims in regards to BP, all I was trying to say is the adjusters repping BP so far are not dealing with individual insureds per se' in that they are not filing these claims under a personal Insurance policy for exposure under the provisions of their specific policies , but are claimants filing claims against BP's liability insurance and therefore anyone affected is filing as opposed to only those who had business interupption insurance
 
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CatAdjusterX
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05/30/2010 10:16 PM
Posted By catadj on 28 May 2010 09:45 AM
I believe most people consider a "loss of income" claim from a third party as a liability claim.  In this case the "loss of income is a "type" of loss and most claims from the spill would be considered liability claims. The "loss of income" claim is not being made against the person's insurer which would make it a first party claim and a BI under their policy.    The first party in this case "BP" appears to have accepted liability in most cases.
I must apologize about stating these weren't liability claims, of course they are, in regards to BP's exposure . 
 
All I was saying is those filing these income loss claims are not limited to those who were individually insured for something of this nature , meaning anyone affected could file , even those businesses operating uninsured, that's all !!

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06/11/2010 10:42 AM
It seems to me, that, if even a small trop storms rolls threw the gulf, it will pick up LOTS of oil, and dump it on homes yards business, I dont think the EPA, will allow to guys with a high presure sprayer to go clean this up. There will be EPA mandates on oil clean up and removal from homes business, every thing in the path of even a small storm, will be an adjustment, then subragated by the carrier back to BP. The oil will kill everything in the yard, ruin all the exterior paint, not to mention cover homes.. And?? What about the roofs then?? If the roof is covered with oil, no damage, what will the EPA say?? R and R? If they allow the roof to stay, rain wind and normal activitys will, push the oil from the roof tops back into the drains, back into the gulf. I would think, "no real ideal here, but" it stands to reason, that, every house that gets hit by ???? I dont know, anything over ??35mph winds with any push behind it, will be a ??13k to 25k clean up and adjustment. Not trying to kick off a battle here, just speaking in almost a question, and personal opinion. The EPA will have rules on removal of oil from homes, but I know they wont let you just wash it off your house, back into the gutters. 100% of every home hit will need new paint, r and r for sure, plus bio hazardous removal and disposal.. I may be wrong, but..Just seems like thats whats about to happen.... Ever thought you may be on a 3/12 in a rope and harness?? LMAO... Get one covered in oil.. That may just be the case. I think, prop adjusters auto hell everybody will be needed for this thing. IMHO I think this will be worse then Katrina, in final claims filed.
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06/12/2010 9:48 AM
NOAA, has a fact sheet on hurricanes and the oil spill,
 
Edit, well it looks like something went wrong so here is another link.
 
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Olegred
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06/12/2010 3:56 PM
Host, that link does not work
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Olegred
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06/12/2010 4:00 PM
edrowe330

as to your oil horror movie scenario, it is more like an adjuster's dream than reality. At best we do not know what a hurricane would do with oil, amount of oil is tiny compared to the volume of water in Gulf of Mexico, so it might as well just dissipate the oil...
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Olegred
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06/13/2010 7:48 PM
this thing gets better by the day

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...il-spill/1

so, if they allow third party to handle bp's money we'll have work :)
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Ray Hall
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06/13/2010 11:42 PM
Olegred, I want to bring a sanswich board sign to your house and lock it around your neck. It will say I am a sorry SOB and giggle over over pther peoples missary and make you walk down the mains street of the jungle you crawled out off.
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Olegred
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06/14/2010 12:12 AM
come on, old man, don't be bitter
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Ray Hall
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06/14/2010 1:37 AM
You have made enough post on Cado  that has sunk your cat ship, you better jump off.
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Ol' Ghost
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06/14/2010 8:35 AM
Like Jack Nicholson said in the movie, 'Mars Attacks', just before the Martian skewered him, "Why can't we all just get along?"

Ol' Ghost
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Olegred
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06/14/2010 8:38 AM
one would think that some wisdom would accrue towards advanced years, but ray proves that wrong ...
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claims_ray
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06/14/2010 8:52 AM
Ghost, That quote was taken from the infamous Rodney King.
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