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It will not be a problem to get roofers to replace one square, one slope or 1/2 of a roof .IF the carriers kiss the deal and give them millions of new jobs in a lifetime. Its called the good with the bad and ain't no bad when you can not loose on a little job and plenty of profit using xmate on the total losses. With a salesman/inspector making 2 grand a week with expenses and some time off. All the roofer has to do is use the same procedure you use. And it has never been proven that roofers are less honorable workmen than people with an insurance adjusters license.

I think i got mis read.. Im not at all discouraged, hell im just getting started. I hope you are enjoying colorado. i do update all the time on the sites. I see a lot of people slamming the pay they make doing this here. I am .. shocked! honestly. I dont know I am just new, but I have a cousin who owns a firm in FLA, making a killing I assume by his 4500 sq ft water front home and all benz in the garage. My mothers best friends son and wife are now living in a 1/2 million dollar home, they were cops for years, jumped in this worked as staff adjuster then started thier own thing, only work local for themselves. My brother made well over 25k a month Unlicensed emergency in both Katrin and Ike, although Ike he only worked 1 month. i have a very good personl friend who worked the inland hurricane in Ill earlier this year and made well over 40k in 1 1/2 months. I personally would not subject myslef to brutal conditions living in a hotel or 5th wheel or worse and cant imagine anyone else doing it, unless the $$$$ added up to well over 100k. And unless your working 12 months a year, and I dont know anyone who is you better be having some big income months to do that. i see all the time commercial adjuster jobs in town paying 80k local no travel, if your not beating that, why would you do cat??also, i know what the day rate is for some of the bigger comapnies for auto claims desk, do the math its in excess of 14k a month, why would anyone crawl into a destryed home in the heat climb a steep roof put yourself threw all of the hazards of that type of work for less than you could make sitting on the claims desk?"ac answering a phone"  I know exactly what claims desk pay is for both Ebrels and Pilot.. maybe im wrong, but I know what my friends have done my brother and what u can make with just auto adjusting??? so Im thinking no not wrong. Also, what I was saying about day work. there are many companies out the with IA's who have day work, u may not make 100k+ but you dont have to go anywhere, if you add a second income ie real esate and do them both, you will do well over 150k the current markets are in ruins, but real estate wont ever stay that way long. people want homes investment primary 2nd homes new ones fixer uppers.. they will buy. Or, I may just run work cats as they come up and do real estate while at home. 3 of the companies im talking to "say" thay have day work.. Great, i have no expereince and... well you know the rest.. I know the good ole boy network, ill get in at some point.

So, just to be clear, I wasnt ragging anyone, i was almost poking fun because the thread went from help a newbie to become a nurse.. and then just took off from there..lmao, it was kinda funny, sorry..but im still laughing at the left turn on this thread.

not discouraged, just kinda getting started so im reading all these post on here and getting a feel for it. ill get in somewhere some how, and do fine.

Now off my soap box, sorry.. went off on a serious left turn here myself.. Does anyone know what Crawford pays? I looked them up online, looks like yes they openings for some willing to travel "me" newbies. But they are all salary. I dont mind this but wont even consider if its less than 40k. i mean, thats a beans and rice salary after taxes... crap... 40k start id jump in and go for it.. Im sure based on what they say on their site they raise you as you learn. And I can do real estate to suppliment my income part time. if you know, please let me know. ill send them a resume today if they are at that or more. I cant believe it would be more though for a newbie

Good point.. i know this wont be easy.. Really not trying to stir up anything, just thought the thread was funny, and.. people do make money doing this, feast or famon always I guess.. And I really dont want to be a nurse..lol, though I know they werent talking to me.. Any chance you know what Crawford pays salaried adjusters?? LOL

I meet adjusters every week on roofs.  (They are now trying to sell roofs).  They are up there tearing shingles trying to get me to approve them for wind damage.   They tell me they were supposed to make $200,000 a year as an adjuster but are now selling roofs.  They don't know what happened.

I will give you my personal experience from this job.  8 years ago, I was treated as a professional by my IA employer (I had 2 prior years working as a staff adjuster at a large insurance company)  I was utilized and used on every storm and made good money.  I never had my estimates nitpicked by a file reviewer because I know what I am doing and because then you only had to make sure of a couple of things.  1. coverage was right  2.  you paid a fair amount to the insured.  That was basically it. 

 Then after 2004 the number of adjusters working for us expanded 10 times.  The owners realized that they could make a lot more money if they just hired anyone with a license.  They would just hire more file reviewers to fix the newbys mistakes.    We then hired anyone with experience to be a "file reviewer". (Which are without a doubt the single biggest nuisance I have ever had to deal with in my entire life)  Now the coverage and the amount are glossed over.  I would bet over 50% of the files are rejected because something is not the right font, or we did not use the correct header or some other worthless bull$##$ that does not matter.

Now as an adjuster with 10 years experience, Iinstead of sending in quality work to the insurance company, ,I have to argue with file reviewers who are sitting in cubicles 1000 miles from the loss location.  Instead of sending out a few experienced guys with good time managment skills who can make a lot of money and do the job right, we send out twice the amount of newbies and they make half as much.  Who wins?  The owner of the company.  He could care less how much the adjusters make as long as he has a ton of them out there.  He makes the same amount of money and gets the files turned in faster.  The file reviewers touch them up to make them look professional but they have never actually scoped the loss.  You can make pictures say anything you want.  If you do get deployed, you most likley will not make what you are expecting to make.

I don't mean to be discouraging, but it is what it is.  You have to remember that you mean nothing to the company you work for.  They could care less about you and they have thousands of people waiting to deploy.  Maybe you will be lucky and make some money and maybe you wont.  My advice-have something to fall back on.

I was thinking about my post and want to add something to it.

This CAN be a very profitable and great career in today's climate.  I have had months where I have made tons of money.   Just go into this using your brain.  Do not put all of your eggs in one basket.  It is a mistake that I along with others have made.  I would still go into this business if I had to do it over again because you cant beat those huge months.  BUT, I would make sure I had a good reliable job that I could fall back on because it seems that those huge months are getting more and more rare.

Get a job that you can always count on then become a cat adjuster.  If you do it the other way around then you are making a mistake.

If you are young and get into this to make a lot of money that is great.  But you may find out a few years from now that you have a wife and kids and no work  Be prepared for it.

I agree with these two post; however my caveat is, "you are only as good as your last storm" that is the way it has been since the vendor system started.

I would have to agree with some of the information about the Adjusters selling roofs.  Many of them, myself included, are selling roofs.  I am recently licensed in Texas (Sept. 09).  In the short time since getting my license I have been diligent in my reading of the posts on this site, garnering information, and making contacts.  The only job offer answered in the affirimitive was from a roofing company that need personnel with construction background and adjusting training.  As I have commented on other threads, I am selling roofs because there is income to be made, and a ton of experience to learn first hand while actually scoping hail/wind damage, and preparing claims to be reviewed by the carrier's adjusters and settled.

I would dis-agree with the comment that the roof salesman are lifting and tearing shingles.  The comment as stated sound to be premeditated mischief, or fraud.  At least with the organization that I am with I have heard of no one doing things of this nature.  We also are digilently looking for damage, not just to the roof but to other areas of the structure as well.  In most cases we are in concert with the carrier's adjuster in the settlement of the claim.  As far as the comment about the structure of the adjuster force I would also agree, in that it appears that a number of the adjusters in this area do not know much about hail damage or shingles.  An example is a roof I reviewed today.  The homeowner has had three (3) adjusters from the carrier out, and during this process they have allowed damage to STEEL gutters, complete refinishing of the patio deck, damage to the shutters, and exterior paint due to hail damage, while at the same time denying any damage to the Cedar Shake Roof.  When I layed out a test square on the storm facing slope in addtion to soft metal damage, a pattern of hail marks all across the slope surface, and the normal indentions measuring up to 1/2" in diameter, I also found 12 new split shingles, along with 2-3 broken shingles.

The house used for this example is a 2 story 6 pitch, which is easily accesible.  This example, while it is an isolated example, verifies the statment in the previous posts about the in-experience of the adjuster force.  Most, if not all of the allowed damages could be seen visually from ground level. or with the aid of a 2 step stepstool.  NONE of the damage to the roof structure can be seen from ground level due to the sloping nature of the property.

If we the newbies are to gain experience in the scoping of damages in the real world, we the newbies are going to have to look at other segements of the home damage industry in which to gain knowledge.  I feel very confidient that given 6 months to a year of reviewing actual hail damage and reviewing claims with the various carrier's claims adjusters, and while working with a group of other salesmen that have from 1 to 30 years experience looking at this type of damage, I will be considered to be very experienced,and competent in my assesment of these types of damage.

In summary, there are bad apples in every field.  I know deep in my bones that there are roofing salesmen out there that will damage material just to make a sale.  I am also just as convinced that there are adjusters, both new and experienced, that take pride in the fact that they are the best at lowballing an insured's claim.  In the whole neither of these groups are of the majority for either of the fields discussed.  Training is essential if we as a group of adjusters are to be recogonized as the professional that we wish to be recogonized as.  The ability to get that training has to be taken where it is offered.  ALL of us have to make a living while learning the tools of our trade.

i am bummed out now

Jim, you are crossing a line in the sand that, in your current capacity, should not be crossed. As a roofing contractor saleman, your job function is limited to just those items your company sells. It is not your place to wander all about scoping the bird baths, the air conditioner condensor dents, or the fogged up double pane windows. When and if you ever get to be a real adjuster, then you can do it. The same goes for the nail holes in the fascia.

Ol' Ghost

In my evulation of the damage my reccomendation is to remove and replace the gutters and replace ALL of the facia.

Gutter nails "back out" all the time, this is a common maintenance item. A reasonable homeowner would get some of the "threaded screw" type gutter nails made to remedy this common problem.

http://www.gutterworks.com/gutterscrews.html

http://doitbest.com/Gutter+connecto....dib 

I just did this at my elderly fathers house. Zero wind, and he had 6 nails backed out 2 to 3 inches in various places.

When a gutter has been subjected to enough wind to back out the nails, that gutter is gonna be "hanging" out of place, not sitting right where it belongs.