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Buford Gonzales
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03/15/2007 12:28 PM
    I need a Moisture meter to determine if a claimant has moisture damage as I am to inept to discern this information by touching the wall.  Can anyone tell me how to by an extremely cheap moisture meter as I am not sure I wish to deploy with this firm.
    Tom Rongstad
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    03/15/2007 4:35 PM

     

      

     

    There is a device manufactured by Dri-Eaz called the "Wet Check". It is sold at locally in Pensacola at www.Cleaningsupplynetwork.com for about $20.00. It is not on their web page. You can call them at the contact phone number and they can ship it.

    You can also find it by searching dri eaz wet check online. There are many distributors.

    It does not read the level amount of moisture; it simply beeps if it is wet. I use one like it. Basically, it reads continuity, with two metal probes from a handheld small device that can fit easily into your pocket.

    Mine failed once on location, I then used my electrical meter from radio shack, $15.00 and tested for continuity. I carry one of these also in my “tools of the trade” bag.

    I received my first "Wet Check" from Servpro as a promotional gift and was told " Call us if it beeps. If it does not beep, do not call, no drying needed."

    Of course you can spend a lot more for meters that will tell you the moisture level from $200.00 to $1,000.00. However these are used during the drying process to determine if proper drying is occurring. I just want to know if is wet or not, and if so, make sure proper drying companies are then activated.

     

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    03/15/2007 11:32 PM
    Thanks, but I could not find the meter on that web site.  However I was able to find the meter at another site.
    Wes
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    03/16/2007 2:06 AM
    I use the same one as Tom. Works great and is very helpful.
    Tom Rongstad
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    03/16/2007 10:34 AM

    As I said, the web sight for cleaning supply network does not have this item on the sight, but they do sell it.

    As a matter a fact, I stopped there yesterday after I posted and bought several for the newbies in my office. Every adjuster should have one or some type of moisture meter device. It is very handy to pull it out when in doubt.

    You should be able to find a distributor in your area.

    margar1
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    03/19/2007 10:34 PM

    In my opinion a non penetrating moisture meter is the tool every adjuster should have. While the Wet-Check meter does serve a purpose it is also limited. The Wet-check is actually used to determine moisture in carpet pad. it also can be used to check moisture underneath the baseboard. The problem is that due to the probes the ability to check wall surfaces and vinyl flooring is not possible. I have found the Wet-check to have limited capabilities and is better served as a marketing tool for restoration companies.

    On the other hand the non penetrating moisture meter is very effective. The price will range between 200.00 - 300.00 dollars but a good investment in my opinion. The Non Pen. will detect moisture levels in drywall, vinyl, paneling, hardwood etc.. The guage will determine if the  moisture levels exceed 16% which is the industry standard levels for warranting a tear out and replace. I have found this to be very effective when inspecting a water loss and documenting these moisture readings will keep the contractors honest and the Carrier pleased with the efforts.

    Mark S Garland
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    03/19/2007 10:56 PM
    Several years ago, I invested in a "Survey Master" made by Protonix, at the recommendation of an engineer friend, and have used it with great success in over 1000 claims.

    It has a 4' wand that plugs into the unit so you can check floors, walls, ceilings, etc, without the constant bending, stretching etc.

    It has a digital read out that you can photograph for verification. Having used many other moisture detection instruments over the years , this IMHO is the top of the line and the only way to go. Just like the Disto.

    Sure, good tools are expensive, but they always work and they produce the correct results.

    Let your conscience be your guide.
    "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new... Albert Einstein"
    Buford Gonzales
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    03/20/2007 9:00 AM
    Sorry Guys, I guess I thought everyone could tell wet Sheetrock when they saw it. I guess a lot of the Adjusters here have no experience in construction. I was at a conference this last week and was told by an experienced Adjuster that roofers and contractors had no idea how to measure a roof. What he was telling me is he couldn't find his Rearend with both hands. In this business we owe the damages, period. The damages are computed by Remodeling Contractors, not by us. We are only making an Estimate of Damages. When we decide that we are better at estimating then the contractors, we need a reality check. I know there are some unscrupulous contractors out there, but most are good, hard working men. Some of you could Very Obviously use a few weeks on the business end of a Hammer. And owe by the way, you can feel drywall and tell if it is wet.
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    03/20/2007 10:31 AM
    Buford,
    We do much more than just estimate the damages. We scope the loss. This is the first and foremost job. Determing what the loss is defines the whole process.
    As for contractors, most just look at a job and guess.
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    03/20/2007 10:58 AM

     

    Posted By Buford Gonzales 03/15/2007 12:28 PM

    I need a Moisture meter to determine if a claimant has moisture damage as I am to inept to discern this information by touching the wall.  Can anyone tell me how to by an extremely cheap moisture meter as I am not sure I wish to deploy with this firm.

     

    Posted By Buford Gonzales on 03/20/2007 9:00 AM
    Sorry Guys, I guess I thought everyone could tell wet Sheetrock when they saw it. I guess a lot of the Adjusters here have no experience in construction. I was at a conference this last week and was told by an experienced Adjuster that roofers and contractors had no idea how to measure a roof. What he was telling me is he couldn't find his Rearend with both hands. In this business we owe the damages, period. The damages are computed by Remodeling Contractors, not by us. We are only making an Estimate of Damages. When we decide that we are better at estimating then the contractors, we need a reality check. I know there are some unscrupulous contractors out there, but most are good, hard working men. Some of you could Very Obviously use a few weeks on the business end of a Hammer. And owe by the way, you can feel drywall and tell if it is wet. [/quote]

     

    Mr. Gonzales:

    YOU began this thread by asking about finding a moisture meter.  Then in the last post you made say you can feel drywall and tell if its wet.  Are you confused?  Either you feel you need one, (which many EXPERIENCED adjusters do have and utilize) or you're saying that you're beyond the experts here and can tell if there's moisture problem by feeling the drywall. 

    The comment you made saying  "Some of you could use a few weeks on the business end of a hammer"  is interesting, as I have found  in this business that MANY could use a few weeks in BASIC SPELLING, BASIC HUMAN INTERACTION, and BASIC MANNERS.

    Maybe being polite, interested and humble would get some further in this industry and in LIFE as opposed to RUDENESS, EGOTISM and ARROGANCE. 

    And, Oh, by the way,

     "Owe"   means "to be under obligation to pay or repay"

    Do the right thing, ALWAYS
    ~Meg~
    Buford Gonzales
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    03/20/2007 1:32 PM
    Read the first message. i don't need a meter, the IA Firm requires one.
    Buford Gonzales
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    03/20/2007 1:33 PM
    Sorry, spell check era.
    Buford Gonzales
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    03/20/2007 1:34 PM
    In the South, the business end of a hammer is made of wood.
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    03/20/2007 1:40 PM
    I am also confused. Is there a bi-polar issue going on here. My experience with roofers: I have yet to receive a roofing estimate with the correct measurements and that is if it has any measurements at all. Most of the roofers here in Florida (not all) do it one of two ways. Lump sum by simply looking at the roof and by experience creating a dollar amount estimate with no measurements. Using the foot print method without ever accessing the roof which always measures out to more squares than required. I have contacted roofers on many occasions and explained that our measurements don't appear to match and their response has always been 'the dollar amount on the estimate is what I need to do the job'. It appears the drawings if there is one and measures are on the estimate just for show and to awe the homeowner. Sorry to get this thread in another direction. And once again I will say that I have met some very thorough roofers with excellent contracts and scopes but it is not the norm.
    Buford Gonzales
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    03/20/2007 1:53 PM
    The Construction company's I worked with must be anomalies as the group as a hole tended to be honest. I have had some pie in the sky estimates since I started adjusting, but nowhere near the majority. Most of the adjusters I have worked with have been very good and very honest, but a few have been less than Honorable. I think the percentage is comparable to the construction Company's and estimators that are dishonest. I cannot say the same about the Insurance Carriers or the IA Firms. I have some IA Firms I wish to work for, but about 25% of the Firms appear to be dishonest. The news is full of Insurance carriers that are being sued. As an Insured, it worries me.
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    03/20/2007 1:57 PM

    Hey Buford:

    I have considered a moister meter but eventually I did not spend the money to buy one. We handle many water damage claims especially during winter months, and because we inspect many abandoned. To date I have been able to distinguish wet drywall by looking for discoloration, stains, water lines, untapped seams, etc. When I spot any of these signs, I know the wall absorbed water up four feet above the water line. I can make the same judge met regarding water absorption if the stain is on the ceiling. There are times you can feel for wetness but sometimes it is hard to tell between a wall, which may be wet, and one, which is cold as, can be. so I tend to trust my eyes more than my hands. I can say 95% of the time I am right as to the amount of drywall I am replacing (if any). The times I have been wrong the water restoration company or the contractor called me, and I revised my estimate accordingly provided what I hear sounds reasonable. I happen to think most contractors are honest folks.
    Our rule of thumb when it comes to buying equipment is does this new piece of equipment help me do my job better and faster? If the answer is yes then the extra money, we will earn many times offsets the expense we would incur. On the other hand, if the answer were no then we (usually Bob) just want another gadget. Remember that in this business you can gadget yourself to death.
    One more thing, which I hope you do not take the wrong way. if you cannot distinguish damaged drywall when you see it please do yourself and the insured a favor and gain some knowledge before you attempt to inspect a loss alone. It is not my intent to insult you or to keep you out of the business (I think competition is good because it keeps us on our toes), but you would not ride a motorcycle on the highway in the rain on your first try (at least I hope you would not)

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    03/20/2007 5:13 PM

    The "wet check" is a good and cheap tool. It can check drywall on a water loss and also a flood or wind to roof which allows interior intrusions. It can be used on contents and every item of a loss and do a fine job. It is used for more than just carpet pad. Trust me. Why spend $200.00 when not needed.

    But mostly I use it for daily claims of water escaping a plumbing system. You can insert into drywall at baseboard height, leave no trail of your examination and determine if drying is needed. The wick up water within the walls can not been seen and have left no water marks. When a closer examination is needed, I call the experts in, such as a professional drying company. They can respond within thirty minutes in most cases and use their $200.00 plus tool. And then dry out accordingly. This is acting in good faith to eliminate mold growth.

    If expensive tools are needed to evaluate the occurrence, the right expert should be called to operate the tool and provide expert response activity and testimony, if needed.

     

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    03/20/2007 5:21 PM

     

     

    LOOSEN UP!

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    03/20/2007 5:57 PM
    Amen Brother we need a way to blow off steam.
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