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katadj
USA
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 Posted - 02/15/2004 : 18:23:54
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Start us with 10 whom are "stout hearted men/women" and you will soon have 10 thousand more.
The longest journey ALWAYS starts with the first step. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 18:37:51
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Ghostbuster, that's not a drum you've been beating, it's that same old long dead horse.
Yes, you've beat the hide off his poor dappled carcass.
I just know that one of these days ya'll going to acquire a little horse sense and give up beating this same dead horse and bury the damn thing.
May God bless his poor soul, even a dead horse deserves a proper burial.
Damson, may you rest in peace!
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 19:02:39
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Beating a Dead Horse
Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.
However, in business we often try other strategies with dead horses, including the following:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Say things like, "This is the way we have always ridden this horse."
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other sites to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Increasing the standards to ride dead horses.
7. Appointing a tiger team to revive the dead horse.
8. Creating a training session to increase our riding ability.
9. Comparing the state of dead horses in todays environment.
10. Change the requirements declaring that "This horse is not dead."
11. Hire contractors to ride the dead horse.
12. Harnessing several dead horses together for increased speed.
13. Declaring that "No horse is too dead to beat."
14. Providing additional funding to increase the horse's performance.
15. Do a Cost Analysis study to see if contractors can ride it cheaper.
16. Purchase a product to make dead horses run faster.
17. Declare the horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
18. Form a quality circle to find uses for dead horses.
19. Revisit the performance requirements for horses.
20. Say this horse was procured with cost as an independent variable.
21. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.
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Ghostbuster
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Posted - 02/15/2004 : 21:52:28
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Jim, you forgot the most important executive management strategy is to meet with a French company and serve the dead horse at the merger banquet.
Bon appetite! |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2004 : 23:11:48
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On s'engage et puis on voit!
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okclarryd
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 07:17:25
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I would love to be a part of any organization that recognizes experience, level of education, attitude, knowledge, etc, etc.
But, I don't think it's gonna matter one whit when it comes time to send an adjuster to Bumfuchqe or some equally distant cat site. And, whether I have "2 days ride-along experience" or 20+ years experience, won't matter either. A warm body is a warm body.
When the carrier calls and says "We have 18,000 claims and we need adjusters there tomorrow", the IA vendor brings up it's list of personel (you may note I did NOT say "adjusters")and starts with the "A's". If your name has been called in the past and the person doing the calling remembers whether you had a smile in your voice or not, will determine whether you are deployed or not.
That's the way it is.
Back to the association.............I'm not sure that any type of professional or semi-professional association or grouping (or groping) is gonna change any of this. I am and have been a member of my state adjusters association for many years and the only time they contact me is when the dues are due or to notify me of the Christmas party. At no time has my membership enhanced my employment possibilities or the quality (or lack thereof) of my work product.
And, trying to get a group of independent-minded adults to agree on any given subject is like trying to turn the dead horse into Trigger.
It just ain't gonna happen.
Back to the first part of this.......I really would like to be a part of an organization to promote and enhance and recognize and reward and all of that.
So, count me in.
Maybe. |
LARRY D HARDIN |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 08:05:23
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Well I grew a day older and a day wiser since yesterday. I must admit that by last evening, I was angry as hell with regards to this thread (and it wasn't about the opening post issue).
It was my fault for what happened to this thread, and for that I apologize.
I think the issue in this thread is important, the only issue that should be in this thread is the one identified in the opening post. Again, I could care less about hail claims, but it is the industry and its methodologies and direction that do concern me; and the issue in the opening post will cause a further erosion in the claims industry.
This thread laid out an issue that will affect everyone who works in the claims industry, affecting them either directly or indirectly. My last post to this thread suggested if "we" didn't like the profound change that is reported to be coming, that we "do something"; instead of continually blowing smoke at it.
I suggested a place to start to "do something", so the players in the game (the vendors) could be defined as to their stand on the issue.
In doing that, I made the mistake of suggesting that if that was a viable start to "do something", that the letter was a type of "association" project.
I am so sorry I said that. The result of that was that the thread quickly lost all of its focus on the issue in the opening post.
This thread is not about an "association", this thread is about what is noted in the opening post.
I got angry at myself for using a word that may have triggered the mockery that followed. I got angry at the off topic mockery that followed. And, I got angry that a moderator that was online for some time after this happened, did not feel that the thread was hijacked with off topic nonsense. Of course, that is all just my own personal opinion.
There, I've said it a lot nicer than I could have said it last night because I'm not angry anymore. I've pretty well resigned myself to the notion that this is a playground quite distinct from a schoolyard.
If there is no interest in the issue in the opening post, so be it. It will be interesting a year from now, for someone to dig this thread out of the archives, and relate it to the claims world as it exists on that day. |
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 08:23:05
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quote:
Originally posted by JimF
Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.
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olderthendirt
USA
370 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 09:42:18
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| Clayton, I went back and read the first post. If I understand we will do the checking for hail and approve the ABC estimate. For this we will get paid but a smaller amount. This will have the effect of reducing the number of IA's needed by the vendor as we will be able to inspect many more units. I will likley open up jobs working for ABC who will need more people. And ABC reps will still be able to hold conversations about large screens tv's and vegas trips while looking for hail damage. If we are not measuring or writing, then prices will creep up quickly. Even a 10% increase is $400 a claim using the earlier example. For this they save $100 from the adjusters fee. They will have no trouble selling this to the money types that now run the industry. |
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LMLinson
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 09:49:30
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| I also have dealt w/ ABC. I think this alleged plan will end up being more expensive for the carrier and it wont take that long to figure out. Honest evaluations from experienced, licensed adjusters will continue to eliminate payment of O&P on every claim and payment for damages not there which will contribute to more expense to the carrier if the fox is let in the hen house. I have never worked for NCA and if they are in bed w/ ABC It is unlikely that I will. |
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StormTrooper030
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2004 : 13:59:17
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| There are more people out here that would support such an action as the one being proposed. It will take time, money, lawyers and a top notch of individuals who will head this agenda. There will need to be association fees which will help fund this action. Let it be known, I am in and would have no problem in supproting such an action to help save and preserve our way of life. |
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katadj
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 14:54:50
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"In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing”
Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States
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JimF
USA
1014 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 21:40:08
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The world has a way of undermining complex plans. This is particularly true in fast moving environments. A fast moving environment can evolve more quickly than a complex plan can be adapted to it. By the time you have adapted, the target has changed.
General Carl Von Clausewitz
Businesses once grew by one of two ways; grass roots up, or by acquisition... Today businesses grow through alliances - all kinds of dangerous alliances. Joint ventures and customer partnerings which, by the way, very few people understand.
Peter F. Drucker
On s'engage et puis on voit!*
Napoleon Bonaparte (*"One jumps into the fray, then figures out what to do next.")
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Gale
USA
231 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2004 : 23:07:52
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| I guess I agree with Napoleon Bonaparte based on my track record. It works most of the time as he proved. Just stay away from Water... something :) |
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okclarryd
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2004 : 17:25:30
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Mr Carr, I apologize for getting off track.
I make my living doing hail claims and performing the 3 "C"s. I apply the deductible,(Coverage); do a test square, (Cause); and write my own estimate, (Cost). And I don't really give a whatever if you like them or not.
The deal with ABC is not going to work and you and I both know it. The process will have a short life and it is just a minor bump in my road.
Why don't you apply your energies and obvious intelligence to something really important? Like, why can the rover only go 80ft a day on Mars? |
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