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KockyCanadianKat
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 Posted - 10/11/2002 : 13:00:17
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I am curious what the position of the CADO organization is to postings which blatantly use copied information from copyrighted textbooks and other protected media without attribution?
All over this country, students in high schools, colleges and universities are being caught and expelled for turning in term papers where the content in whole or part is copied from other term papers available on the internet or widely copied with slight modification from the original copyrighted text.
The advent of the internet allows the careful reader and responsible webmaster the rather quick opportunity to evaluate apparent violations of copyright laws, and blatant participation in what can only be plagiarism.
Does anyone here know what the word PLAGIARISM means? Take a look around and you may discover what some of us are saying. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2002 : 15:37:28
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Are you implying that "blatant plagarism" has taken place here on CADO? If so, I think it would be in the best interest of all if you shared those examples with the rest of us who don't have time to double check every source listed in these forums. I would imagine that Roy would never KNOWINGLY allow plagarism on this site.
And to answer your last questions... yes, I do know what "plagarism" means.
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2002 : 16:58:55
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To Mr. or Ms. Kocky - I just read your post on this thread a few minutes ago. I had a quick look over the forums, and can not help but think your jab is directed to my posts. My sources are many and varied from where I grasped my material - as I look around my office I see that I have used - old closed claim files, the essence of legal opinions, web based references, text definitions, carrier procedural and methodology guides of which I was a participating creater of each, vendor procedural and methodology guides of which I was the sole creater of each, seminars and courses, plus absent from my office at this time - learned colleagues, and other associates who are kind enough to listen to how I want to make a point and provide their input and critique.
If you have something to say specifically past your innuendos, or have any particular axe to grind - please identify yourself and spell out what is bothering yourself.
Perhaps I will withhold further posting until you can be satisifed or otherwise advise that I am not your specific target. |
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Ghostbuster
476 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2002 : 17:25:53
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WOW! I don't believe it! Could it be true? Do we actually have two denizens of Maple Leaf Land engaged in a cat fight? Is there trouble at Possum Lodge? Will the New Red Green Show ever be the same?
I didn't think it was possible. |
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Johnd
USA
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Posted - 10/11/2002 : 22:22:00
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Isn't this great...........
One man takes the time and trouble to try and help his fellow adjuster(s) and look what he receives in return.
You should all be ashamed! No wonder post(s) are getting few and far between on this forum.
If there is one NEWBY out there that gives a Damn where Clayton got his material, please speak up... If there is one adjuster who has derived any benefit from Claytons material also PLEASE speak up.
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jlombardo
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2002 : 07:33:47
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| To Kocky...or Kooky.....please keep your mouth shut......there has been enough discord on this sight caused by people like you...does it really matter wher the info comes from, as long as it is valid???? Remember , CCARR is not using material for his own gain...he is sharing it with all of us.....in one place..rather than have us go sorting through all the refernce material ourselves....it is tough enough to make a living out here and continue to expand our personal professional knowledge without some clown chastising someone whom is trying to help us........Oh by the way,I am Joe Lombardo Jr.....just so there is no mistake on ID..... |
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Todd_Summers
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 11:16:15
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Mr. Carr,
Please do not withhold further posting. Don't you see that this is exactly what he wants?
Don't you see the similarity in this post with the postings of a certain previous poster? He writes, "Take a look around and you may discover what some of US are saying."
Ghost, I suspect that he is not even Canadian, but is , in fact, trying to make a statement with his moniker.
Could it be that the guy who wears the dunce cap has come out of his corner and is now trying to stir it up because he feels left out?
If so, it is a shame, because he has such talent that is being wasted.
Kocky, if I am wrong, then abandon your anonymity so that I can apologize to this certain previous poster. |
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KockyCanadianKat
5 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 16:27:03
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It is obvious that JohnD, JLombardo, and ToddS did not read my initial posting carefully or missed what was really a question to the moderator or webmaster of this site.
No where in the initial post did I name nor impugn CCarr and it is interesting that each of the 3 of you as well as CCarr have arrived at your own conclusions. I do not know what that means but it is suggestive.
The question posed: "does anyone know the meaning of plagiarism" obviously was met by a Cado lynch mob more anxious to kill the messenger while showing contempt for the message, even if it was to point out potential violations of law. That reflects your selective contempt for laws you do not see as applying to you for some unusual special reason known only to you.
If Andy Author decides to research and write a book in order to make a living for his family while you are out on a storm assignment to provide for you own financial needs, that is a choice you each make. Now Andy is not asking you to share your income with him, but when anyone reprints Andy's book on the internet, or through some other media, you and any other party guilty and/or supportive of plagiarism and copyright violations is in fact taking income away from Andy and his family through his loss of book sales. That is a real injury to Andy and is otherwise known as a tort. When someone else claims credit for Andy's work or reprints it without permission, attribution or credit as if it was the work of the reprinting offender, then that is an insult on top of the injury.
Rather than be subjected to your out of control lynch mob or joining you in name calling, let's prudently forward the suspicions and confirmed research on to the original authors and legal departments of several publishers and let them decide if copyright violations are important. |
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Ghostbuster
476 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 16:47:59
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I, like everyone else, went to the dictionary and read the definition of plagerism. Here's where our resident law school grad, Alan, might be able to discuss some ideas.
I seem to recall from the halycon collegiate days that a good way to avoid plagerism, and an 'F', was to attribute verbatim passages with a footnote. Or is my memory faulty? |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:01:34
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Go for it Kocky, give it your best shot. Your circular twin spheres contained in your personal sachet, seem to be made of paper mache; with your demonstrated lack of courage to identify yourself.
Todd, the thought didn't enter my mind on reading the opening post, however, I now with some confusion as to the person's motive, do think you are correct in your observation. The tone or manner of response seems quite familiar.
Life goes on. I have a clear conscience in both my heart and mind regarding the content of my posts. I'll get back to preparing the segments, each of which is averaging 4 to 6 hours of prep time to create a draft before posting. If I was just opening and copying from some magical text, I'd be done with the total effort by now. |
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fivedaily
USA
258 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:02:40
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It is only plagarism if the source is not noted. I saw several instances where Clayton noted his source. Please share instances of plagarism you think you have found on these forums. Also note, that most of the time you can quote a paragraph or less on a discussion board without having to pay royalties to anyone, just so long as it is noted who the original author is. Any write would be happy to know the information s/he wrote about was being discussed and shared.
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tomgriffin56
USA
88 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:12:31
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| I think perhaps that our "Canadian friend" was aiming at another area but was just as happy to get a rise out the folks that jumped at the lure. |
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:16:38
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| Tom, interesting comment, what "other area" do you think it was that was targeted? |
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tomgriffin56
USA
88 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:18:03
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Also would like to add that I am quite enjoying Mr. Carr's efforts and really appreciate his work.
Information as useful as this is really scarce and can't help but improve anyone who takes the time
to read it.
I agree with the sentiments of many in this venue, we must improve our work product and produce the
best we can or fall by the wayside.
Thank You, Mr. Carr!!! |
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tomgriffin56
USA
88 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:19:17
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2002 : 17:31:46
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Kooky,
Plagiarism is not a crime. It is a violation of academic ethics if you use other's work and present it as your own. Copyright violation is a crime but I'm pretty sure that quoting from copyrighted material on a not for profit web site does not constitute copyright violation and if it does I believe that in order to collect in a copyright violation law suit one has to prove damages. Please tell me what damages can be proven by someone quoting someone else's work on an industry website. If anything it is free publicity and may actually sell more books.
I think you need to call Johnny Cochran, he seems to have the same flare for finding problems where there are none that you do. |
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