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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
 Posted - 02/25/2003 : 13:09:31
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It is a shame we can't use the oil from Alaska and not send most of it to Japan because of the so called high sulpher content, we still reap the sulpher via the trade winds.
I use Murphy also, and I have stayed away from Exxon for years, even before the Valdez. We still have a lot of reserves off the gulf coast. Some of those one barrel a day wells in Tx And Ok will probably be put back on line soon if the price keeps going up. All I can say is, come on HYDROGEN. That will end a lot of our problems. Maybe NASA could take over the development, they know more about it now than the average bear. |
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ChuckDeaton
USA
373 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2003 : 14:40:04
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War is not what we are going to. Attacking those poor fools in Iraq is murder pure and simple. The federal govenment has a way of jumping when they should be sitting and watching. Lets spend the time and effort wasted on murdering the citizens of Iraq,on making this country safe. The money spent on one cruise missile would provide computers for all the schools in Arkansas.
If Tyson Food, Jack in the Box and IBP can't poison use with E. Coli, Saddam can't do it with his biological weapons. Saddam may kill a few defenseless Kurds, but killing Americans in America is a bird of a different color. What is Saddam going to do, tie a nuke on a donkey, head him toward Israel and slap him on the butt? I say make it worth Bill Gates while to deal with Saddam and let him do it. Ross, Ross Perot where are you when we need you?
Newt, how about working on a car with a Sterling engine that burns corn? |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2003 : 15:58:24
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| Hey, good idea, how would you cut that corn to make one of them rigamortus. You could have a whole tank full of toddy. Be easier to siphon too. Of course they would get you for a DUI if you siphoned too much. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2003 : 17:55:57
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Chuck, I was in the millitary. Unlike armies in the Arab world, the US millitary does not kill innocent civilians. We are not going to kill civilians. We may kill a few Iraqi soldiers, but chances are they will surrender because they don't want to fight for that evil thuggish dictator that leads their country. What about that do you not understand? Saddam, evil. US, good. We will liberate the Iraqi people and get rid of a murderous dictator who threatens the rest of the free world.
The reason Germany, France and the rest of the leftists don't want us to go to war is because they hate Bush and they know that the threat of war is hurting the economy. They know that if we get this finnished the economy will take off again and they know that if the economy is good in 2004 and we had a succesful war in Iraq and the world is a safer place because of it, GW will get re-elected. And they can't stand that. So they would rather live in an unsafe world with an uncertain economy so they can win the Whitehouse back. Aren't liberals evil? |
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Gale
USA
231 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2003 : 23:39:27
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| Some are talkers and some doers. Most of the talkers just talk about what the doers are doing. Doers scare the pants off of the talkers because they are busy doing what the talkers say can't be done or at least this has be the case since history has been recorded. |
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ChuckDeaton
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2003 : 07:38:27
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Even if you think that killing essentially unarmed soldiers is OK, here is some educated thought about civilian casualties.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2079264/ |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 07:45:42
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Talk will make friends or enemies, and effort will get the job done if you try hard enough.
"Can Do" people don't look for the easy way out.
I never try to justify why something can't be done, while I am doing it.
Not trying would be more devastating than failure. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 07:55:48
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| If anyone thinks there will not be civilian casualties in combat is asleep. If anyone thinks they can figure the number of casualties is a damn fool. Bullets and rockets are aimed at a target and the destination is to "whom it may concern". There is no such thing as a merciful war, its dirty and ugly. And sometime a neccessary evil, where evil exists. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 08:34:43
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The thing that worries me with this pending war, if it happens is will it be politically run or will the military call the shots. The two wars run from the White House were disasters and cost thousands of lives, our lives.
We had a treaty (SEATO) and when the treaty was enforced, that was the last you heard of it because the press and the public, not the majority, the loudest, started moaning. The politicians watched the fabricated polls and immediatly took control and we were sitting ducks, not allowed to do our thing. Korea was much the same, run from the White House with poor communications at that time. Both wars used antique equipment and the only relacements were bodies. This is the first thing I think of when we talk of war, how will it be conducted.
I noticed the press will be involved in this one and I think it should be censored for security reasons. Many people will see the action and get repulsed by it and I understand that. It is the distortions you get in the news that does the most harm. You only see whats on the agenda of the reporter. |
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Dadx9
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2003 : 09:26:15
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Excellent point, Newt. I don't think anyone wants to see another politically run war. I think recent history (1991) shows what the military can do when allowed. I believe the current climate by our military is not to simply throw bodies at the enemy. Superior air and naval power is the key. When the time comes and the muscle gets flexed, how long before the Iraqi Army surrenders? History usually is a pretty good barometer.
Still praying for peace and wisdom. Thankful to all who have and will serve. |
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"To be held in the heart of a friend is to be a king."
Bruce Cockburn |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 11:42:57
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Three wars and three very difficult excursions, have taught me one thing. War is loss on both sides. When its over, I'm sure the grief is indescribable for both sides. At the time we only think of ours, and we have to hate to kill.
When the smoke clears and the silence deafens us and we reflect on the slaughter, we are reminded they had families too. If you didn't you would be no more civilized than they.
I noticed on the news last night about the Christain churces in Florida were preaching on the evils of Islam, the reporter said it could lead to a relegious war, what he didn't say that this war started 600AD with the Koran. The Jihad is the war they declared long ago. Only now have they become capable of mounting a technical offensive. They have no demands, and their motivation is the evil dictators who run their countries who use the Koran as justification for killing all of us that are labeled infidels. They think killing the innocent children on school busses, and themselves will get them into paradise. They celebrated in the streets of most arab nations when 9/11 occured, and I am not willing to stand by and watch this happen. They need stopping and an attitude adjustment. I would go in a New York Minute if called. They think this old troop is broke
or used up so no possibility. |
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ChuckDeaton
USA
373 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 12:54:45
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No matter, murder is murder, no matter who commits it or why. Surely as educated and just plain smart as we, Americans, are we can think of a better way to control Saddam than debasing ourselves by committing premeditated murder.
Saddam is a tempest in a teapot and as long as we keep him in his teapot, preferably by non-violent means, no matter.
Of the worlds religions Christians hold the record, over time, for being murderous, for killing each other and what we consider to be infidels.
Differences in religion and ethnic group seem to be the most often used excuses for murder. |
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KileAnderson
USA
875 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 13:24:36
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Chuck, killing a soldier of your enemy, a combatant, in combat is not murder. Please quit trying to frame it that way because it simply is not correct. We are sending our armed forces to Iraq to enforce 17 UN resolutions which Sadam has ignored. If his troops get in our way they will be removed. If they do not resist, we will not have to kill them.
The bottom line is, if any tin-horn despot can ignore the UN's resolutions then what good is the UN? Not only are we liberating the Iraqi people, we are also saving the UN from it's on irrelevance. |
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Newt
USA
657 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 14:49:47
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The Spanish Inqsitition was primarily blamed on the Spanish as being a cruel time in history, and they have been cast in a bad light because of it.
The Moors invaded Spain and ruled with torture chambers that still exist today in Toledo,SP. They have the racks, thumb screws, head vices and dungeons as a reminder. For some reason the Jews sided with with the Moors and they received the same treatment. They finally gained their country back in a cruel way. The Moors came from North Africa and were muslims. They had no reason for the occupation except they hated Christains. Their reign lasted a couple hundred years. The number of people they killed is undocumented, because they didn't consider the body count as a worth while effort.
As far as murder goes, the Jihad is on, and if they think they can get into paradise by killing us then the turkeys got to go through hell to get there. As far as I am conserned 9/11 was the gauntlet and I'll have a hard time forgetting till the smoke clears.
Murder is when you plan a sneak attack on an unsuspecting victim. When they have been forewarned and told not get in a phone booth with a grizzly they may be like a bold butterfly going out to beat up on an eagle.
How soon we forget the dancing in the streets when the Trade Towers came down, for me thats reason enough to do what we gotta do, and call it murder or two step, the deed needs doing. I am sure some innocents may get hurt or killed, and the man upstairs can sort them out.
To tell you the truth I can see no difference in Saddam, Arafat,Yomama Bin Laden or the rest, their agenda is the same.
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CCarr
Canada
1200 Posts |
Posted - 02/26/2003 : 15:13:11
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I get an odd sense of deja vu, reading this thread.
When I was a kid in high school, I could never understand the history we were being taught about the religious wars centuries ago; that scoured the known world at the time. Just couldn't and still don't see the relevance of one religion wanting to dominate another, or the deep apparent hate for each other's beliefs.
Then the Ireland thing was watched from a distance, where the Catholics and protestents killed and mangled each other. Then the jew and arab thing in the Middle East for years and still, working to eliminate each other. It is so inbred that children in both those areas mimick their parents and learn to hate each other; all over different religious beliefs.
Agreed, this Iraq thing is different, but several people have brought the hate of opposing religious beliefs back into it.
Aside from the terrorist threat, which I have stated previously I'm hawkish on eliminating; what right does any country or religion have, to impose themselves and their beliefs on another? |
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