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older than dirt
| | Posted on Friday, February 25, 2000 - 10:32 am: | |
Anonymous posting is very important in this industry. there are many comments made here that due to thin skins and thick ego's would result in the posters suffering. If anyone is foolish enough to lible, then let them face the consequences. We need a place to express ourselves without penalty.
Meanwhile keep up the great work. |
Dick Benson
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2000 - 10:47 am: | |
A great post!!!!!! If we say something we should be able to confirm what we state. |
Roy Cupps
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 11:59 pm: | |
Thanks for bringing that article to our attention Gale. I did read it and I want to inform the visitors to the CADO "message boards" which includes this Forum, the Bulletin Board and other areas where visitors can post messages that we follow the ACLU guidelines and will give anonymous speakers notice when they are sued. However, I must also point out that CADO has never received a request for the server records. (knock on wood) I do advise all users of the CADO site to review the users agreement, we will enforce this agreement. CADO does allow anonymous post in public areas of the forum and we have no plan to change this policy. However, we have also provided areas in which anonymous post are not allowed. |
R.D. Hood
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 11:34 pm: | |
Gale,
Thank you for providing this link. It would behoove everyone to become aware of the serious consequences that could occur if they were to post any kind of defamatory, slanderous or liableous statements , or even E-mail such items.
While I support free speach, there are the rights of those that are unjustly defamed or attacked to also be considered, as the article states.
This will undoubtly expand to the personal level, once these cases are finalized.( Maybe before)
Now we have another place to the web lawyers to play, what fun.
The world wide web is indeed a marvelous compliment to our society, and its use will no doubt be beneficial to all that do so with caution. |
Gale Hawkins
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2000 - 8:26 pm: | |
Free Speech on the Net? Not Quite, Companies are waging war on online critics – and winning is the title of an article on page 93 in the February 28, 2000 issue of Business Week that you will want to read if you like to post anonymously.
It is common sense but I had no idea that this is already the fact. Anonymous posters are NOT protected under Freedom of Speech it appears and they are being traced down and sued by the companies offended. From the article it is happening quickly because it said that Northwest Airlines, Raytheon, Varian Medical Systems and more than 100 other companies have sued over statements made anonymously online.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_09/b3670155.htm is the link I tested but if it does not work you can go the businessweek.com route and it is under Legal Affairs. You will also want check out the following: TABLE: How Companies Track Anonymous Postings
It looks like if you are going to say it you best claim it. |
R.D. Hood
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 12:20 pm: | |
GB,
SAD BUT TRUE !!!!! |
Ghostbuster
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 11:50 am: | |
Its simple, Dave...
Because gazillions more is spent on high school football than the importance of history classes! |
Tom Joyce
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 11:19 am: | |
Good post Gale. |
R.D. Hood
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 11:10 am: | |
Gale,
Your assessment is right on the mark.
Another article will be published, (already written) in the update of CADO-2000.
This will deal with the fact that e-mail is esscencially a postcard, not a letter, and we all know how many of them get read.
WE THE PEOPLE, must learn to UNITE, to protect & defend, our interests in this new "war of the worlds." Unless we prefer extinction.
Why, oh why, must we continually re-invent the wheel, instead of learning from our fore fathers. |
Gale Hawkins
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2000 - 3:07 am: | |
Dave perhaps lots of people use technology without understanding it. Freedom of speech may not be what some think it is either.
Most of us send email as if it was as secure as going through the US Postal Service. Just as hackers and those that post to forums can be tracked back to the source so can email even if it is spam. As we all know in the ongoing court case against Microsoft that old emails setting on servers from all parties became evidence in court.
When one receives email he can never be sure how many others got a copy of the same email and I am not talking about blind Cc’s either. Someone at your mail server can set it up were they or someone else gets a copy as well. For example if I am on vacation and you send me an email at my business email address someone else will also be getting a copy as well as me. This is necessary because I receive an email that needs to be dealt with daily, not a week later. I will have a copy of each email waiting for me since some will be of the nature that can wait for my return.
I was reading recently were some companies have a copy of all emails sent to a designated staff member to scan daily. Since this is all company owned equipment and is provided for the purpose of doing business there is no privacy issue in the minds of many. Some companies make it a practice to put nothing in an email that could be used against them in anyway but that kind of defeats the reason for email for the most part. I think each can use his or her imagination as to how this technology could be misused.
Freedom of speech may not continue to mean what it means today. Anonymous post may fall into a special case in the future. The freedom of speech that was dreamed up by our forefathers some 225 years ago did not factor in the fact of today’s technology. In those days everyone knew the source of most all spoken or written words. After all if it was in printed form how many in town had a printing press?
Dave as you pointed out there is no such thing as an anonymous post if someone wants to trace it back to the source. If someone authors a post that they know is not true and wants to try and hide by posting anonymous I doubt if a claim of freedom of speech is going to do them much good. It may be like claiming to have shot someone in self-defense and having the judge ask why you took the time to attach a silencer first. There are cases where the whist needs to be blown yet the whist blower needs to be protected but most anonymous post to not seem to fall into that category.
Most remember how flyers were passed around stating Proctor and Gamble supported Satan worship so please do not buy P&G products. Many “good church people” bought into it. A couple years ago P&G traced the source to story to a group of independent Amway distributors out west who did get a court date to explain their position. The bad thing is just recently a friend overheard a lady in the soap aisle at Wal-Mart passing on the lie that the originators have long since stopped telling I am sure.
Freedom of speech affords us the rights to express our opinions freely even if others suffer because of it but it had better not be stated as a fact when it is only an opinion or worse yet it is a premeditated lie. Perhaps late night TV and not so late night TV has desensitized us in these areas by what they do and say in the name of freedom of speech.
We live in a ‘anything goes world’ it seems but I expect a backlash at some point. Let us just hope it does not come in form of a dictator. In the mean time I expect we will see more anonymous and named post that will continue to move the industry forward. A free and open society can be painful at times but is self correcting in nature where as in countries without freedom of speech the same practices and worse occur but they have no self correcting mechanism in place to break the negative cycle they fall into sooner or later.
Not knowing anything about USAA I can see there is reason to question the negative post because of equally strong positive post. Because Pilot has not had strong supporters coming to their aid seems to be becoming an issue within a issue but again I have never seen the contract but do know similar language is in other contracts according to other adjusters. I would question that Pilot is doing anything illegal and would agree that no one has to enter into a contract that does not please him or her.
Perhaps what we see in the Pilot conversation is a company that is caught off guard by the enabling power CADO brings to the industry. We have spin-doctors in politics and other industries because this openness has been available for years. I bet Pilot will do a better job in the future of protecting their interest without provoking such a public outpouring as we have recently seen. While a few will complain, many others that have looked to Pilot of jobs in the past will continue to do so in the future. I know we have PowerClaim users that have not burned that bridge. To each his own I guess applies here.
Growing pains are not fun be are much more desirable than dying pains. As the adjusting industry continues to mature we will see more standard procedures being put into place by all parties. This may be were CADO provides the needed catalyst the industry as so long been lacking. Help support CADO by clicking on the Visa Card icon. |
R.D. Hood
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 10:49 am: | |
Once again "into the breech" we venture.
It is abundantly clear to anyone with 1/8 oz of technological competence, that those whom post as "anonymous" lack this minimal competence.
The latest CIA investigation into the hackers of the large corporate world , that penetrated some of the web sites are on the hot seat.
EVERY, posting leaves a trail, which can be followed. With little effort and knowledge, one can do so rather swiftly.
Freedom of speach is alive and well in the good old USA, and while I too, resent the posts that are not meaningful,constructive and beneficial it is their right to do so: no matter how warped their small minds may be.
I also support a "Closed to all but Members" area which can be viewed and posted ONLY by members, and their visits recorded.
When and If, any of the postings become fodder for suit. And some do approach that. A warrant for the records of any site may be issued and the culprits located and prosecuted. (MY OPINION)
Let them venture into our world, knowing full well that it is their "cookies" on the line. |
Vince Tabor
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2000 - 10:30 am: | |
Hopefully, all will understand the following humor.. I post with tongue in cheek..
Found written on the wall of the Ark...."Never forget...woodpeckers on the inside of this Ark
are a greater threat to us than the storm outside" Signed: Noah |
MKDCO
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2000 - 8:39 pm: | |
Hey Anonymous, I do beleive that you just posted an oxymoron. However, I do agree with you that Roy should set up a site for just and only just anonymous postings. In certain situations, one cannot put their real name to delicate issues for reasons of a know fact by many. The Ins. companies and vendors look at the CADO to get a feel of what is going on amoung the IA's and that could get names pulled from call list for work if it is a post that is negative towards either type of company. Within this large group of IA's there are those who just sit around and look for something to grip about or cut down another adjuster unfortunately this is part of being human. We all have our little falts and see issues in a different light but in the end it all comes down to the final decision of the powers to be, whom ever that may be.
Roy, We turn it over to yours hands to make a decision on such a post area. Please advise via a post when you have made your decision so we can all take advantage of such an area. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 1:06 pm: | |
Roy, recent postings on the CADO page seem to be written by some 13 year old having a temper tantrum or off on an angry tirade. For all your readers know due to the practice of allowiing "anonymous postings", the writer could in fact be a 13 year old. And from seeing the way some "Anonymous" posters write with such poor spelling, grammar, and just plain old slaughtering of the King's English, it wouldn't surprise many readers if some postings were the handiwork of someone attending a 4th grade English class. Maybe they can adjust when they get graduate from high school but not exactly suitable for the "profession" of adjusting now.
It seems unfair to me for these "anonymous" writers to come in here and "blast" good adjusters with their negativity. They are allowed to make statements as if they were "fact" and make outrageous claims about either their own adjusting skills or those of others, without any accountability to good adjusters willing to put themselves on the line by signing their names. It is time for this sordid and unfair practice to stop. Their "attitude" and their "English skills" are probably why they are unsuccessful and hence, resentful of the many good adjusters who visit this page and are financially successful.
It seems to me that if a person is dealing with facts rather than personal attacks, then they should be willing to sign their real names to their posts.
The very origin of the English word "blackmail" derived from the medieval practice of sending unsigned letters containing scurrilous, untrue, libelous, slanderous,and hateful mail to another with the malicious intent of the anonymous perpetrator to harm innocent people.
IF IT IS REALLY NECESSARY TO HAVE "ANONYMOUS" POSTINGS, THEN WHY NOT SET ASIDE ONE "ROOM" OR ONE AREA FOR "ANONYMOUS DISCUSSIONS" WHERE "ALL" POSTINGS WOULD BE ANONYMOUS. Frankly, to do so would invite the libel and slander situations which inevitably will occur with damaging consequences to individuals and possibly this website.
Then have all other areas of this site accessible for postings ONLY WITH REAL NAMES USED.
For those who would say "Big Brother" or someone else is watching, then perhaps unless we are willing to sign our real names and take personal responsibility for our statements and representations, then we should not be publicly making such statements in the first place.
If one is so fearful of being discovered or so ashamed of their writings as to be unwilling to take personal responsibility by signing their personal name, then let them go find another website to spew and spout their poison and venom. It has no place here. That is not what CADO is about nor is it what good adjusters want to be "subjected to."
With liberty and freedom also comes responsibility. We can disagree here in our ideas and attitudes without resorting to negative personal attacks. Honorable men can disagree honorably.
Please review this request Roy so that we can all be sure we are not sharing information and communicating with 13 year olds who have some fantasy of being an adjuster one day. For those with such delusions, there remains help for such people through their local mental health departments. |
Jim Flynt
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 1:24 pm: | |
Roy to make my point, I wrote and posted the previous post requesting a change in CADO policy and the abolition of anonymous posting and signed as Anonymous.
I take personal responsibility for my thoughts, ideas and statements and as such I am willing for my real name to be used. I know there are others who may not share all of my ideas, but the true mark of professionals is that we can agree to disagree agreeably. |
Chuck Hoffman
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 2:00 pm: | |
Jim, The intelligent individual will assess
an anonymous posting for the weight that it carries, none. |
Russ Lott
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 5:51 pm: | |
Jim, IMHO anonymous posting present the chance for too many bad rumors. |
Concerned Adjuster
| | Posted on Friday, August 13, 1999 - 6:21 pm: | |
Anonymous posting is the only way to discuss sensitive topics in an open forum without the fear of reprisals by carriers &/or adjusting firms. Recent postings only confirm this position. If for one minute you think carrier business decisions are based solely on integrity & honesty then I invite you to visit the following web site: http://inscobadfaith.com/index.html |
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