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Jim Flynt
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Username: Jimflynt
Post Number: 400
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 8:54 pm: | |
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) — Members of a Wake Forest University fraternity were charged with animal cruelty and abandonment after a drunk, dehydrated and sunburned pig was found unconscious in a park.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/04/30/pig-abuse.htm |
Chuck Deaton
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Username: Chuckdeaton
Post Number: 46
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 8:42 pm: | |
Unfortunately, when we slopped the hawgs with mash from Uncle Phillips still film had to be mailed to Kodak for developing. Just too expensive.
Then there was the time Aunt Gracie slopped the hawgs with finished product. Her way of hiding it from the Clark County sheriff. Actually it takes a lot of distillate to get a Poland China sow drunk. Nothing spectacular just a herd of noisy sows.
Uncle Boss usually hid some of the bottled product in the garden and occasionally the old sows would get in there and root it up. Most of the time the sows couldn't the stopper out and if they did get the stopper out they couldn't tip the jug, so very little excitement.
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alan jackson
Registered User
Username: Ajackson
Post Number: 128
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, August 26, 2002 - 7:45 pm: | |
I hate to be a pest. However, there are several of us, Ron Rhodes and Co, who would like to see a picture of a drunk pig. It's awfull slow here in dixie. We can not figure out how to get the pig to (blow)or walk a straight line. We bought several home drunk test kits and wasted everyone of them.
We would love to hear from anyone who has devised a pig sobriety test. We plan on starting pig pen interventions. This might be a way for all of us to supplement our incomes in the off season or lack of season.
Please e-mail photos to alanjacksonjd@aol.com or claimsrun@aol.com
Thank You.
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Tom Strickland
Registered User
Username: Toms
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 3:10 pm: | |
Kyle, what I meant to "really" say was, your landlord's carrier "probably" would not be on the hook, but hell, try cause sounds like he was hiding it from you anyway.
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Gil C. Newton
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Username: Newt
Post Number: 30
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 4:11 pm: | |
I think there is a formula for the most drunk pigs, you take the number of bootleggers over the pig population, then you pie r square that, times the percent of bootleggers who would lie about feeding mash to pigs = candidates for the
Jackson's Center for Alcoholic Pigs. This is the greatest idea since the formation of the cat ranch established down in Hermisillo,Mexico. They were raised for their pelts, fed on rats and the rats were fed on the cat carcasses. I invested heavy in this venture( 38.00). Alas all was lost when buzzards converged and ate all the carcasses and the rats starved. Are you looking for a heavy invester. You could hit Todd up since he is working lots of hours. Oh by the way since we're talking insurance, I got a good one. My barber had an accident down at Marianna,Fla. He was towing a travel trailer, and totaled it. That has been over a month ago, six weeks to be exact.The adjuster called him and said he was going on vacation and would get back to him in a week or so. This is an independant adjuster out of Jacksonville. They are really giving him the run around. I told him to keep a good record of contacts and call the vendor first, if that fails call the carrier. I think Capitol is the vendor. He has nothing in writing from them only a phone call and one he made to them. I don't think there is any attempt
to deny the claim. Another matter which I thought of, the objects dammaged or stolen, taken from the dwelling, put in a motor home or travel trailer. If they are not covered in the recreational vehicle , would they be covered under his HO policy. I think they would be if those items , like bicycles ,articles of clothing and other items covered under his HO policy . I would like see the policy, but this is as far as I want to get into this with him. The only advice I can or did give him was dot the I's cross the T's and call the vendor first,then call the carrier if you get no satisfaction.
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alan jackson
Registered User
Username: Ajackson
Post Number: 127
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:12 am: | |
I'm still waiting to see a picture of a drunk pig. What state has more drunk pigs? Is there a market to rehab these pigs? What about cows? It's been real slow here in dixie. I'm thinking that pig (livestock) rehab might be a nice sideline. |
Kile Anderson
Registered User
Username: Kileanderson
Post Number: 158
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:51 am: | |
Tom,
The problem first occured about 16 months ago. The landlord painted over the mold with Kilz and attributed it to a blocked AC drain line which he said he fixed. The real problem was uninsulated AC pipes that sweat. When we cut into the drywall around the ac unit it was completely covered in mold and I couldn't breathe when I stuck my head near the hole to look inside. I'm sure they are eventually going to have to move out the people below and to the side of that apartment as well. |
Tom Strickland
Registered User
Username: Toms
Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:42 am: | |
Kyle,
Landlord, (unless he was aware of problem) would not probably have any liability. The improperly installed A/C system (the installer) would.
Sorrry |
Kile Anderson
Registered User
Username: Kileanderson
Post Number: 157
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:17 am: | |
Todd,
I don't have a policy, I am renting. I just wonder if the land lord would have any liability. That is assuming I was a litigious person, which I am not. |
Todd Summers
Registered User
Username: T4summ
Post Number: 29
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 1:13 am: | |
Mark....thanx for the support!
Kile .... I am not familiar with the Policy in your area ....Does your policy include language like ("Sudden") ? |
Kile Anderson
Registered User
Username: Kileanderson
Post Number: 156
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 9:03 pm: | |
I know it's off topic, but I thought everyone may be amused to know that I have had to move out of my apartment because an improperly installed AC unit leaked for several years and a closet that shares a wall with the AC unit is infested with what appears to be black mold. We didn't notice the mold because the closet contained our heavy coats and living in south Louisiana we don't wear heavy coats very often so who knows how long the mold was there. Also, when we pulled our pots and pans out of a kitchen cabinet the rear wall of the cabinet, which wasn't visible because of the pots and the fact that I usually don't bend over that far, was also full of black mold. What are those symptoms again? cough, cough,.... |
mark salmon
Registered User
Username: Olderthendirt
Post Number: 210
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 8:23 pm: | |
Todd right on, those who now how to adjust are making money with farmers, (more then most of the hail adjusters right now). As to tight direction, if I am ever called to give evidence, it really is very simple, I did nothing without instructions from a farmers employee. It is safer that way. But Todd you missed one point, we really are whores, Jack too, and when we are offered money ( a job) we will go, all that bar b que costs money. ps for a really good weather report go to accuweather.com and wartch the video report. |
Todd Summers
Registered User
Username: T4summ
Post Number: 28
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 5:40 pm: | |
Gil, if it is an HOB the exclusion lists animals or birds, if it is kept or owned by an insured at the insured residence. No coverage  However, if the loss was caused by wild animals (squirrels) there is apparently coverage... go figure. |
Todd Summers
Registered User
Username: T4summ
Post Number: 27
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 5:23 pm: | |
Houston.... I don't necessarily consider it a part of Texas.
And maybe your right. Maybe others have had different experiences than mine. I just don't like being called a whore.
If I was asked to do something in a manner I considered to be immoral or illegal, I would opt out.
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Gil C. Newton
Member
Username: Newt
Post Number: 29
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 5:08 pm: | |
You know this world is made up of good people
being in the majority. Every place I go has the
friendliest people and the people I work with
are the same way. I figured that we all project
an energy, positive or negative.(attitude) What you send is what you receive. I do not expect people to be what I want them to be. If you have a different opinion from mine thats ok, because
down the line you may be right. Todd , you will do well and looks like the long hours has not
dampend your spirits.
By the way my neighbor had those pigs within the foot print of his dwelling(shack). Under the house out of the weather. They rooted under the pillars and it leaned the other way, is it still covered under his HO policy. I assume you are still in Houston....
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Cecelia Sharpe
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Username: Cecelia
Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 3:16 pm: | |
Are you working TX or CA Todd? That could be a difference in "point of view" between you and Jack. |
Todd Summers
Registered User
Username: T4summ
Post Number: 26
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:00 pm: | |
Gil, thanks for takin the edge off. I laughed so hard I had to change pants !
(Message edited by t4summ on August 21, 2002) |
Todd Summers
Registered User
Username: T4summ
Post Number: 25
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:57 am: | |
Man , Jack....
I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is obviously incomplete, as it has allowed you to make interpretations that are simply not true !
I have been working mold claims for Farmers since Thanksgiving.
Some of the leads, which I have had a total of 5 or 6 were not very experienced, but the one I have now is very good. I've had him for about 10 weeks now and he is knowledgeable and supportive. Usually he answers any questions himself, without having to ask his supervisor.
In all instances where there is a coverage question, my direction is to investigate completely and err on the side of the insured.
Regarding this billing issue, we were given an activity billing guideline a few months ago and asked to try and follow it as closely as possible. The times for specific tasks are listed under the heading "RECOMMENDED time". Most of these times are more than fair and some are not. I try and follow them and get the task done within that timeframe, but when I take longer than the RECOMMENDED time, I bill for the actual time spent. This occurs frequently with Xactimate estimates.
I have never been questioned about this.
I think I can speak for most, if not all, of the adjusters that are still working mold claims for Farmers, when I say that I resent your implication that all the adjusters that are still working these claims, are somehow not qualified. I am in the trenches and I have seen that the only adjusters that have left were either tired of it or were not doing a good job or both.
I hope that none of my insureds happen to read your instigating (and incorrect ) remarks.
One other thing...
The only time I have ever had a more "independent" job is when I owned my own business.
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Gil C. Newton
Member
Username: Newt
Post Number: 28
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:49 am: | |
Making wine was at one time, a hobbie and I made some on the order of Mad Dog 20/20,maybe stronger. It would make you stagger to look at it. So I had these 8 taste tester pigs almost ready for the spit and figured I would give them a gallon a day because I'm a nice guy,an animal
lover,especailly em bbqed ones. I can honestly say I have seen pigs drunk and a smile on their face you wouldn't believe. After a week I ran out of that 20/20 and they destroyed the place.
I sold them to a neighbor and they destroyed his place and ran off no one ever saw them again. I
think they might have joined up with some folks
headed for Hollywood. Would this peril be covered
under my neighbors HO policy.(since this is an
insurance forum and I got off track)... |
Cecelia Sharpe
Registered User
Username: Cecelia
Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 8:38 am: | |
Ok. Now that the subject is pigs and BBQ, what is the best BBQ restaurant in Abilene? I'm going to spend a few days there and I love BBQ (brisket is my favorite, although no one makes in like my dad).
Should we be starting a new thread on the best BBQ restaurants around the country? When I was in Kan City (Kansas, that is) I went to a BBQ restaurant with some of my TX friends. They were as shocked and dismayed as I when we asked for raw onions and THERE WERE NONE.
Anyone willing to post some drunken pig pictures? I am still really excited about THAT one!!!!!!
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Chuck Deaton
Member
Username: Chuckdeaton
Post Number: 45
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:14 am: | |
Barbeque pork?
Call Cecil and go down to Sim's for lunch. Maybe we will run into Joe and Micheal.
The rib plate is the ticket. |
D Wong Whey
Registered User
Username: Dwongwhey
Post Number: 166
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:11 pm: | |
Cecelia, if you REALLY want to see photos of "drunken pigs", you might try to talk some of the U.S. cat adjusters who were in Montreal a few years ago to post some of their photos from that ice storm here on CADO.
My understanding is that Montreal was full of "drunken pigs" (albeit without 'pina la boca'). |
D Wong Whey
Registered User
Username: Dwongwhey
Post Number: 165
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:54 pm: | |
Now if "ya'll" are going to skewer pigs over the pit, make sure you help all of us here in Lei-Lei Land and stuff that rascal with a pineapple in his mouth before throwing him on the spit.
Now Ghost, as you said: it is "tag-time."
YOUR recipe for barbecue pork? |
Ghostbuster
Registered User
Username: Ghostbuster
Post Number: 335
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 8:36 pm: | |
Cecelia, darlin', I must confess a dirty little secret just to you. Given the dearth of storms this past year, I had to eat my pigs so as to maintain my girlish porcine figure. However, on a happier note, the pig feed did cook down to an interesting mash and distill out into stumpwater with an aromatic bouquet and a slightly smokey glow.
Jim Flynt reported it left him blind for only a short time with no other 'major' after-effects.
Alas, no photos. |
Cecelia Sharpe
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Username: Cecelia
Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 6:13 pm: | |
Although my personal thoughts on Farmers mold unit are, at the moment, not the most positive, I must say that the leads I worked with (supplied by Continental Staffing) were very knowledgeable and professional. I think they were too tired, after 16 hrs a day, to go out and get drunk every night. I could be wrong. I frequently am, but the ones I worked for directly (and there were quite a few since I got a new one almost every week) did not. They took their jobs very seriously and tried very hard to do them well.
I do not know much about the adjusters who were brought into the area (CA) from out of state (mostly TX), but the ones I knew personally were also very professional and did not go out and get drunk every night. As tightly as Farmers is micromanaging the leads and the adjusters it would be almost impossible to "fall down on the job" and not be forced out. Even the good people who are doing a good job are forced out for many of the reasons Jack stated. Those doing a poor job don't last long at all.
Along the lines that Lee writes, perhaps "drunk" rather than "drunken pigs" would be a little more politcally correct. I haven't, personally, ever seen a drunk pig. Sounds like fun, though. Ghost, do you have any pigs and if so, maybe you could get them drunk and post a few photos for us. How about it? |
Lee Mushaney
Registered User
Username: Red
Post Number: 20
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 5:49 pm: | |
Ghost:
I have no problem with Jack or anyone else talking about a company and bringing truths to the surface, what I have a problem with is calling someone or anyone in an open forum a "drunkin pig". That "drunkin pig" very well may be your next employer or infact your next supervisor. I would hope that bringing truths to light might even cause adjusters not to work for such a company. But until the adjusters are willing to take a stand and be willing to turn in the claims and go home things aren't going to change. Yes, I have done that very thing tough thing do do but I felt good about it and no regrets. |
Ghostbuster
Registered User
Username: Ghostbuster
Post Number: 334
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 5:22 pm: | |
Errr, Red, not quite...Has verbose as Jack is, he has a strong and legitimate point into the operating methodologies of the Big FIG, and indeed, elements our entire industry. It's just that FIG has grown so big, one expects it to be packed with good and knowledgeable and experienced people. Which it ain't. Mind you, I would go to work for FIG in a Yankee minute if I thought I could make a difference there. But, it wouldn't. The moldy rot from the top has permeated to the core.
To expose the realities here for us and the public and the industry is what this web site is for. If truth hurts, then go ahead and yank on that scab. I would like to see Jack lighten up and laugh at himself every so often. I do whenever I see that oaf in the mirror.
Oh, by the way, the Ballard adjuster, she was neither drunk or a putzbag. She was just inexperienced and sent out to deal with typical spoiled, rich, arrogant, Farmers Insureds. She was completely outclassed and supervised by the incompetent. What happened next was inevitable.
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Lee Mushaney
Registered User
Username: Red
Post Number: 19
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 4:30 pm: | |
Jack:
Don't hold back why don't you tell us how you really feel. I might add here though that sometime, and it may be sooner than later, making such remarks as you just stated is going to jump up and bite you in the butt. I really don't think that was the intent that Roy made this forum. I am sure his intent was not to make a forum for people to spout off to make them feel better. I see no constructive use for your remarks as you have stated them and is on the line if not over the line in the guidelines for posts as set up by Roy.
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