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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 8:40 am:   

I'm checking on availability for Feb 01/02.we may want to choose a less formal gathering place so save costs! I will post again today when I get some info.We need a commitment from the members.
Tom Strickland (Toms)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 2:01 am:   

I "all" in, tell me when and where the "turn" Is?

If the finish is as good as the start, what a hand we all may hold.
R.D. Hood (Dave)
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2001 - 12:27 am:   

Well, like the man said,
"Either fish or cut bait" or as Im prone to my old favorite,
"Either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way".

Im in Clayon, and I propose gathering on the before weekend for two (2) days, Fri Evening, Sat, all day and Sunday.

We need an agenda, and if it is to be under the CADO auspices, then we need Roy's approval.

That approval however, does not preclude us in a peaceful assembly, laying out a reasonable, purposeful and legitmate business plan.

In short, Im IN, anyone want to call the bet?
Gale Hawkins (Gale)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 10:58 pm:   

At this time I plan to be in town and in our WIND booth during the set hours. I have told Vonya to try and built me in an extra day on the front side if we have the cash for an extra day at the hotel. I noticed the “basic” room was only $99, the same that Dave found for us at CADO 2001. The piggy backing is a great idea that could be a trend. We learned early on leveraging off of others really helps controls the cost. It is kind of like other fast food places like to leverage off of McDonald’s location research and draw. There will be those in town for Wind that would never schedule a CADO event just because they are already overloaded on events. The ACE annual convention has merged with another major somewhat related convention just to keep down expense and attendance up. The WIND people will benefit as well.

Clayton thanks for the fax. A conference call is planned for this week between our office and their Canadian and both east and west coast US locations. It seems the time for the Open Standard is ripe.
Clayton Carr (Clayton)
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 10:25 pm:   

Hi folks, hope ya all have your Christmas trees up and homes decorated. We got our first real snowfall Friday, about 4"; enough to both create the spirit and an urgency to get the outside colored up.

Do any of you people play Texas Hold-em Poker? It is my favorite game of chance. This thread, this issue; has shades of a good (but long drawn out) hand.

A year or more ago the pockets were dealt. Around the 'big table' in many forums, people showed their 'tells', some raised, all called; and the frenzy slowly built until everyone was still in after those first three cycles of interest. After a bit of a lull, the flop came in the form of Roy creating this 'feasibility' thread' and its' two first cousins, there was some chat, some more 'tells'; but basically everyone checked. On 'Fourth Street' last Sunday, I boldly raised with a telling suggestion of how to get to the next level. Dave Hood and Gale both strongly called. It seems everyone else has checked, or if the chips are measured in discussion and dialogue perhaps everyone else has folded? The last card, the 'river' is upon us; as Roy says "move it forward or put it to sleep".

I'll raise one last time and suggest we pick up the showdown in February at the Windnetwork Conference. Could we not add a day or so ahead of the event, culminating in Russ & Roy's efforts for Wednesday afternoon the 6th; or start it off with that and add a day or so Monday?

Who's in? Is it not soon time to show our pockets?
Gale Hawkins (Gale)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 2:07 am:   

Guys it is very feasible and needed. Carriers, vendors and adjusters need such an organization even if many are not aware of it. Quality is really what everyone is looking for in this and all industries. It will be asked for by name at some point if it is known to exist.

The only 2 things that stand in the way of an association are taking the first concrete step and then never quitting even when it is the only “sensible” to do.

Folks I think you are going to be surprised how many years an association will have to be in place for the masses to see an impact and want to be apart of it. People do not show up at your doorsteps because you built a better mousetrap unless you spend a lot of money for a lot of years. Please do not look at this as trying to rain on the parade because I am not. What is positive for the adjusting industry is just as positive for the vendors providing tools to the trade.

Some of you will laugh (have laughed :)) at me but after 66 months we at HRI are where I had envisioned we would be in 15 months. First expect many of your peers to flat out tell you an association will never fly because everyone is happy with the way things are or a ton of other things just as “valid”. When you get an association formed (and you will) then you can expect to hear, “Well they got it started but I give “them” 6, 12, 24 or some number of months before they fold it.

I just watched “Babe” again tonight with by four year olds and tried to teach them a “people” lesson near the end when the crowd were trying to laugh Farmer Haugen off of the sheep trial field with his pig “Babe” only to be cheering him like a hero a few minutes later.

In the end there is only ONE reason the “association” will not happen and that is the lack of “belief” by you. There can be NONE other. Some of you know what I am saying and others of you have yet to learn the meaning of “belief” because I think one can only know the meaning of the word after the belief has been tried by fire.

As you know we have been talking Open Standards for sometime but it was 18 months after we took the first concrete step until went up even in a limited manner. It took over a year for the first party to call and say, “We think it is a great idea and we want to be apart of it.” It will be another 5 years before this XML trade organization has all of the positive impact that is needed today but already the sun never sets on one claims handling software developer without it is already rising on another software developing firm that is developing around the new PropertyClaimXML Open Standard. That fact even surprised me.

A dream not permitted to die because of the “dream killers” words will take you places you have never dreamed of going as of yet. You goal is noble and your cause is just. Are you willing to pay the price or do you plan to find another to pay the price? If the later is your plan then do not plan to live to see it happen. You can do because just as many reasons as can be offered that it cannot be done, can be offered to why it can be done and with a lot more validity. A positive goal will in time take on its own life.
Make it happen.
R.D. Hood (Dave)
Posted on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:51 am:   

Clayton,Jim L., Tom S. et al.

IF the proposed meeting is to occur, (and I shall be the first proponent thereof,) under the banner or guise of CADO, we must have the blessing, support, and concurrence of the OWNER of CADO, Roy Cupps. It is, after all, his choice to have this incubating association, which is formulated in our minds, be a CADO objective.

This is not to say that it cannot be done under any other guise as well, with the information diseminated here on the CADO private pages.

Roy has done more than any single individual to galvanize, interface, and link our small community. Therefore we must respect his wishes.

To the extent that the initial CADO "Learn to Earn" gathering was, despite a very poor year, a resounding success. (And the bulk of the costs were layed in Roy's lap, but he will never tell you that), serves to prove what Clayton stated.

This can happen, this will happen, only if the precepts outlined, or a modification thereof, are followed and there is adequate support.

I shall again volunteer,(the good lord willing and the creek don't rise) to be anyplace, anytime, for any amount of time and offer whatever small amount of assistance that is within my purview.
Clayton Carr (Clayton)
Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:15 pm:   

Is this feasible? I think it is. Is it able to be done? That's a tough call. However, I am armed with the strength of those that conveyed to me the history of CADO coming to Biloxi last year. For that to happen in the manner that it did - as a wish of the few for the benefit of the many (Spok said it better to Kirk) - makes me believe that this effort can get to step 2 & 3, in the next 6 months.

Grabbing from previous posts of others and myself and adding some more, my vision is as follows.

(1) On a predetermined weekend in January 2002, those interested will meet at an agreed place.
(a) 'predetermined w/e' - maybe that is some or all of a Friday, but tries to conclude reasonable time on a Sunday.
(b) 'those interested' - it is those that will give a personal sacrifice of patience, time, money, patience, knowledge; it is those that want or should give something back to an industry that has given them a decent livelihood in the big picture.
(c) 'will meet' - it is clear in my mind that this 'movement' is not feasible through any other medium other than 'face to face' dialogue.
(d) 'an agreed place' - nothing fancy, at the sad end of the scale it is 7 people in a maybe smoky motel room, or a better picture is a minimum of 15 assembled in a small meeting room; or it is 51 or more people in a bigger meeting room.

(2) The purpose of this 'meet' is to formulate the groundwork for a CADO Association; by preparing 'discussion papers' on the following subjects.
(a) the 'core objectives' of the Association
(b) the 'non-core objectives' of the Association
(c) the Mission Statement of the Association
(d) the definition of a 'member' of the Association
(e) discuss the merits of and role of a Board of Directors
(f) propose nominations to the Board of Directors
(g) consider the financial requirements of the proposed Association
(h) define and propose adjuster standards
(i) develop within a framework, an agreed list of bilateral issues, requiring liaison with Vendors
(j) develop a profile of an "Ideal Vendor", from which the Association could assess vendors in a consistent and uniform manner.

I am sure others can add to this, or otherwise prioritize the 'agenda'; but it is quite a full plate - perhaps too much - for the first 'meet'.

People are going to venture into this fray with their own ideas and opinions, which is great; but please do so with your heart felt intentions of how to get this done. Negative thoughts about this or any other approach solves nothing. If you want something like this to happen, to take only an exception to the idea will not advance the cause. Find a way, refine a suggestion, propose an alternative; keep commenting on HOW to get it done, not on how you think it won't.

For example, I have some criteria before I would want to venture down the trail to this 'meet'. To avoid / minimize chest beating, feather flapping, or tail feather burnings; I would want to believe we agreed that this was going to be a 'proper meeting'. That is, amongst the participants through a consensus, a 'meeting chair' is appointed; whose sole primary function is to keep order, keep the meeting on topic / agenda, and only allow one person to speak at a time. I would further want a volunteer 'scribe / secretary' amongst the group to keep minutes and be responsible for the agreed prepared text of the 'discussion papers'. Finally, the meeting should be structured by time line agenda.

Aside from that criteria, I would suggest (dependent on participation) that the assembly break into at least 2 (maybe 3) groups to discuss a topic for an hour (each with their own 'group chair' and 'scribe', then everyone gets together to share the common or independent group points; with a consensus evolving in the assembly from the group discussions.

The result of the 'meet' I envision would be a set of 10 'discussion papers', that would be available by email upon request or somehow through the CADO site. It is then time for those that did not meet but that are interested to add their constructive views during February 2002; so that the core participants can then during March 2002 refine as required the 'discussion papers' and transform them into 'working papers' of the Association.

All this would at least take us to 'step 3' in the view that I have.
R.D. Hood (Dave)
Posted on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:57 am:   

"The Longest Journey",Etc.

Here is an opportunity for all whom are truly interested in maintaining, educating and propagating the professionalism of this trade.

Thanks Roy, Im in.
Tom Strickland (Toms)
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 6:03 pm:   

May I suggest a "telephone" conference call.This would get things kicked off and should have a lot of items on the table to bring to board for others to review. I would be happy to spring for a 30 minute to 1 hour conference call in order to put some initial issues and items on the table.
Again, as long as everyone is "pointed" in the same direction, we might have a plan here.
Let's don't let this die and flap in the wind.
Ghostbuster (Ghostbuster)
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:53 am:   

Big Question.

How will these discussions and/or conspiracies, (depending on ones viewpoint), take place? Over the internet, or over the phone lines, or over the six pack?

On a personal note, Roy it's good to see your thoughts. All to often we can sense you out there like a ghost, but rarely get to share the air with you. You should do it more often.
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 9:25 am:   

It is certainly worth dicussing.Committees are a good idea to start things off. All party's must be willing to take an active roll in the formulation of such an organization.
Tom Strickland (Toms)
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 5:29 am:   

Well, I think we should try it. I hope these posts are "here" and where they belong. I think if from the onset we organize it correctly and "ALL" have the same goals, we could really develop something.
Good Idea, Roy, and right wording. Lets move forward or put it to sleep.
One thing will have to be a priority in each adjusters post and that is being selfish. We cannot think of ourselves in achieving these goals we have to think as a unit or as one.
Also, I like the idea that everyone's "real" name and a password must be used.
Roy Cupps (Roy)
Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:17 am:   

In the past we have had a lot of talk on CADO about an organization however, not much has ever came out of these discussions. So I have created this area in a effort to either move it forward or put it to sleep. I will be reviewing the old forum posts and may move them to this area if needed. This a brainstorming area so feel free to speak openly about your ideas and concerns.

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