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Last Post 05/16/2010 9:18 PM by  CatAdjusterX
Allstate making the switch
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Jud G.
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05/15/2010 2:53 PM
Posted By Bobabooey on 13 May 2010 08:37 PM
What I like about MSB is that u send the whole file in and reviewer can take what they want And can easily make changes if they want.
Xactimate does it too- you can either submit the data file or send it via internal transfer (xactnet).
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Jud G.
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05/15/2010 2:55 PM
The other argument supporting the eventual elimination of the adjuster by eagleview is that you don't get a 'damage' inspection. Travelers has been using eagleview and sending out third level subcontractors to climb the roofs and get photographs. I met a couple of these guys who are high school dropout carpenters. They were having a blast running around and using their three story ladders to photograph the roofs. They didn't measure a thing...
 
Also, many vendors/carriers have been allowing homeowners themselves to submit their minor water stained room dimensions along with digital photos of the damage.  The desk adjuster gets this information and creates a quick estimate based on that information.
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Olegred
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05/15/2010 3:09 PM
honestly, I don't care... i have another line of work ... if adjusting expires, well, I'll move to next one... :) having said this, as of right now I see telemetry as a very nice tool, god knows how many calories and brain cells I saved with this service... go out, document the loss, order report... done... besides, there will always be interior damage... All the major carriers I worked for, quite a few now btw, shun using contractors in lieu of adjusters...
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05/15/2010 8:45 PM
Aw Jud, you are sending out bad Karma, roof thumpers will never be replaced, olegred has a crystal ball, also a fall back plan that he will execute in the next few months if his ball breaks.How can Travelers and State Farm management know more than a man with a masters degree and speaks 6 languages and fluent BS.
 
I think olegred was a mortgage loan officer for Country wide and Fannie Mae before he found this scheme
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CatAdjusterX
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05/15/2010 8:49 PM
If these carriers decide to reduce or eliminate our role  like with Eagleview and pictography , they have basically told us we are disposable.
 
If this does come to pass, we all know the limitations of these technologies, such as age of roof how many layers of shingles, quite a few things that cannot be accurately assessed from a sat or plane.
 
My knowledge can go both ways and I can imagine all the claims that were underscoped and ripe for , shall I say " A second look "
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CatAdjusterX
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05/15/2010 8:54 PM
Olegred
 
You seem like a smart man, so why do you hide behind your anonyminity ?
 
If you are half as smart as you think you are , you would think you would figure out that the CADO forums are here for networking and building bridges, not burning them !!
 
 
Robby Robinson
 
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Olegred
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05/15/2010 8:59 PM
I'm not hiding, shoot, I am just being careful, I spotted a couple of my managers posting here, so I better stay incognito :) As for the bridges, man, you came to wrong forum, there's a bunch of bitter men in here, no help whatsoever... :)
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05/15/2010 9:26 PM
My friend, not so much bitter, more like the effect of apple cider vinegar on salads. Our tartness gives realistic character to the greens so you and others may be jolted to the true ways of our strange little world. Working in the catastrophe recovery business in a fidiciary capacity as the point men/women for the insurance industry gives us a unique perspective. That perspective has been earned at a very dear financial, professional, and personal cost. That cost, or as is commonly known, 'paying ones dues' is not to be taken lightly. Regardless of ones vocational background, if the desire to change a career path is strong enough, we have explained ad nauseum the proper steps to take.

We do admire your energetic ambition tho it can wear on ones nerves on occasion. We too were young once. I am reminded of the old joke about the young bull and the old bull on the hill overlooking the herd. Junior bellows, "Let's run down there and do them all!". Grandpa replies," Better to walk, then do one at a time."

My friend, life proceeds at it's own pace. Please find your path into our world by following the crumbs of knowledge we have placed for you.

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Olegred
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05/15/2010 9:59 PM
like going staff for 15 years? no, thanks, I appreciate your advice but I'll be looking for shortcuts :) maybe I'm wrong, only time will tell :)
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Bobabooey
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05/15/2010 10:31 PM
Olegred has drawn circles on roofs for 2 years, has never read an insurance policy, and knows one computer program. He is without a doubt someone you should never listen to. Plus the dummy fell off a roof within his first 2 years.
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Olegred
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05/15/2010 10:39 PM
aic, licensed in 18 states, you forgot that
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stormcrow
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05/15/2010 11:34 PM
(aic, licensed in 18 states, you forgot that) that and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks

( I spotted a couple of my managers posting here) if I was your manager and read your posts I'd loss you phone number.

But thats me and I believe adjusting is more then how many $$$ you can make.
I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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Olegred
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05/15/2010 11:50 PM
I am a very nice guy in real life :)
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claims_ray
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05/16/2010 12:03 AM
You put on a good facade.
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Jud G.
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05/16/2010 1:58 PM
Posted By CatAdjusterX on 15 May 2010 08:49 PM
If these carriers decide to reduce or eliminate our role  like with Eagleview and pictography , they have basically told us we are disposable.
 
If this does come to pass, we all know the limitations of these technologies, such as age of roof how many layers of shingles, quite a few things that cannot be accurately assessed from a sat or plane.
 
My knowledge can go both ways and I can imagine all the claims that were underscoped and ripe for , shall I say " A second look "
The old 'business standpoint' forces carriers to quickly let those points go to the wayside in the midst of a major event.  In Katrina, vendors and carriers alike were sending out blackjack dealers, college students, 'foggers' if you will to just make a phone call and appease the homeowners by eventually becoming physically present.  That group, in addition to beginner adjusters with 1-4 years experience, gets eliminated with technology since checks can be issued.  It will mainly be up to the experienced adjusters who additionally have the advantage of being well versed in policy language and conflict resolution that will get most of the work.
In the wake of daily claims, carriers are moving towards allowing contractors to generate the estimates along with photos for the rock bottom low price of "FREE".  Any coverage issues can be addressed from the desk.  With contractors assessing damage, your chances of damage being overlooked are much slimmer than with an adjuster who has much less at stake, financially speaking, than the contractor. 
 
Going back to your point indicating that we are disposable, yes I agree.  What we do is not rocket science.  We are familiar with how to do many things very well (i.e. read, communicate, measure, assess damage) and know when it's time to select, consult, and manage experts. 
 
One time in my career, I had a thirst for doing commercial claims for one of my vendors because the fee schedule was lucrative.  At that point, I was stuck handling ghetto claims with low limits.  There was little paperwork, no ITV's necessary, and little or no investigation expected at all (I was often told by the carrier to limit my details and explanations and just provide damage assessments).  Per file, these claims paid very little, but I was able to process many more, volume-wise, than the commercial claims I eventually received.  The lesson I learned was that I made a boatload of more money doing what appeared to be crummy claims.  The commercial work involved lengthy inspections, low damage, and lengthy reports all on a flat rate with little opportunity to revert to TE billing when needed.  This work was like getting a fancy title and promotion, but actually making less money per hour because of all the additional hours you spend trying to throw yourself up the ladder.
 
In conclusion, there have been many posts/forums provided in the past to offer up the best tool or the best list of tools.  The most indisposable tool for adjusters who survive the test of technology is not a Disto, but a great attitude.  The proper attitude is what propels us to accept the crappy assignments (clean up, lengthy travel, low profit margin, lengthy reports) with the anticipation of eventual change or your eventual acceptance.  I have learned that by developing tolerance for tasks or assignments that are excruciatingly difficult at first, I have been able to discover later on that these were some of the better deals.  Granted, I've come across plenty of sour deals that just won't ever cut the mustard eventually turned them away.
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CatAdjusterX
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05/16/2010 9:18 PM
Well said Jud G. !!!!
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