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Last Post 12/18/2008 9:52 PM by  Ray Hall
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12/13/2008 7:42 AM
     In reading a recent article about roof prices and what the insurance company was paying, I notice the following comments to the article from visitors to their site.
     
      "Property insurance companies are just like GEICO and AFLAC. They are in business to deny claims."
     
      "She (the adjuster) was either terribly incompetent or she thought she would be able to pull a scam on me. "
     
      "the adjusters low ball the homeowners as much as possible so they get a bigger percentage them selves."
     
     
     It is not hard to find comments like this on the web and I know most you have seen them many times before. This continues to plaque our industry and we need to work at improving the perception of the insured's.  I know a lot adjuster work hard in a professional matter to make sure the insured's come out of the claim experience with  a positive outlook.  It may have to be done one claim at a time. 
     
    Any suggestions on ways we can use the CADO website to improve the perception. When the site was first started back in 1995 this was one of the main objectives and continues to be today.
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    12/13/2008 4:08 PM
    Anyone who has a passing interest in statistics knows that no matter what is measured, there is a mean and measurements are distributed around that mean, 1, 2, 3 standard deviations above and below the mean, Gaussian Distribution. There are as many adjusters 3 standard deviations below the mean as there are adjusters 3 standard deviations above the mean.

    Unfortunately, fee schedules and expectations favor the adjuster that closes files, good, bad or indifferent. The NFIP schedule encourages flood adjusters to stop writing damages at the limit of coverage.

    To raise the standard, training in personal conduct and habits is needed.
    "Prattling on and on about being an ass with experience doesn't make someone experienced. It just makes you an ass." Rod Buvens, Pilot grunt
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    okclarryd
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    12/13/2008 7:02 PM
    There has always been and always will be those that are more concerned with the number of claims closed at the least effort rather than the focus on closing claims correctly.

    If there was a quick and/or easy answer to this, I'm pretty sure someone would have brought it up long ago.

    From my viewpoint, the team leads, supervisors, file reviewers and managers are the ones that can deal with this most effectively. They are the ones that can deal with the lack of scruples, the lack of training, the lack of adherence to company policy, etc, on a person to person basis.

    Addressing these issues publicly and stating what Cado stands for without reservation might be a nice start.

    But then, what do I know?
    Larry D Hardin
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    12/13/2008 9:32 PM

    deleted, Larry already covered it

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    Jud G.
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    12/13/2008 9:51 PM
    I think the best thing to continue using CADO as a vital web portal to point people towards those organizations that have stood the test of time because of unswerving commitments to quality and doing things well.  These organizations consist of Insurance Companies, IA Firms, Servicing Firms, Claims Associations, and Training Firms that are commended on their own merits.  

    Fireman's Fund is an insurance company that consistently earns high marks on the premise of its Customer Service ratings.  Pilot Catastrophe continues to garner a great reputation because it continues to stay on the cutting edge of technology and treats its adjusters well.  Vale National keeps pressing on (50+ yrs.) with high quality training.

    Its really easy to pass on critical remarks and focus on the negative, but more difficult is the choice to catch those doing something good or right and commend those that do well.  Either choice that is made has a lasting effect and its up to those of us concerned to accept criticism and produce a positive reply because of it.  This lesson goes for examining files, commenting on emerging IA firms, and even raising kids for that matter.

    Roy, I think your web portal does a lot of this already and like any good software, it just needs the occasional upgrade and/or tweak.  Your bringing this issue up now 13 years later serves as a great example of continuous improvement.
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    12/17/2008 1:57 PM

     

     

    After my Father retired from the military he opened up an upholstery shop.  I remember well his philosophy in business, He felt that one unhappy customer was worth hundreds of happy ones, and therefore he did everything he could, within reason to make that unhappy customer happy.  He felt that word of mouth was his best advertising and one unhappy person would tell everyone they knew. 

     

    I think that stands true today in our industry.  One unhappy insured tells everyone they know, there are law suits, the press gets involved, and it multiplies until the general expectation is that insurance companies and their adjusters are out to deny claims and treat people unfairly.  Rarely do you hear any stories from those who have been treated fairly, indemnified, and move on with their lives.  Those stories don't get told.  There are thousands upon thousands of people who have received satisfactory service yet their stories are not the ones we hear about.  Sadly, in our society today, it's the bad that makes the news; the sensational that people seem to want to hear.  It seems as if society is eager to broadcast the unfair, the inequitable and the down side of things, rather than the uplifting or inspirational. 

     

    All of the adjusters I know and associate with are people who care about what they do.  They care about correctly indemnifying the insured and care about fair settlement.  Sadly those people aren't noted as fair, honest people.  They get lumped in with the comparatively few who are only in the business to 'get in and get out', make a paycheck and move on.  I believe those are the exception rather than the rule, yet they are the ones who receive the notoriety.  I also believe that lack of education is probably one of the biggest factors.  Lack of policy knowledge, not explaining to the insured right up front what is covered under the policy, what's not covered and why.  Those are inarguable facts.  They may not be happy about it, but it is what it is.  When things like that are not fully explained, and how can they be when the person inspecting the loss doesn't know, that sets up a beginning for untold amounts of problems down the road.  Those are the ones we hear about, and just like my father's unhappy customers who would tell everyone they knew, those are the insureds who speak the loudest.  Now, if I were an insured who was inequitably treated, I probably would yell fairly loudly too, so, the responsibility lies with us collectively, where we do seem to be our brother's keeper.  

     

    There are so many areas that could be improved upon, yet instead of getting better, they seem to get worse.  We  haven't even been able to put together a cohesive group of adjusters who agree to a code of ethics, much less a path to becoming a knowledgeable adjuster.  How could we expect a positive image when we can't even create a group we all agree to belong to? 

     

    There are many unrealistic expectations that should be addressed, and changed, time lines that  are unrealistic during a storm, and expectations that are predicated down to the field adjuster which increase the mounting stress that's factored into the nature of the job. 

    It takes a very special person to be a catastrophe adjuster, to be able to manage the claim volume, the complaints of the insured, the lack of availability of nearly everything following a catastrophe situation, the list could go on and on.   Certainly the ability to adjust a claim without knowledge shouldn't be one of them.  Yet we hear everyday of someone who's gotten their license and is let out in the world at large with no more knowledge than it took to attain a license.  How many times have the words "I've gotten my license, now what"? been heard here in these halls?  That should never be the case.  There should be a clear cut educational path that leads a person to truly 'being an adjuster'. 

     

    We either need to take charge of our industry (profession?) and put a stop to it, or it will continue and the bad rep we've collectively received will continue.  This may not be that unjust if we just choose to watch it happen and refuse to try to make it better. 

     

    Just some of my thoughts and my .02 worth!

    Do the right thing, ALWAYS
    ~Meg~
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    12/18/2008 9:10 PM
    Good write, Meg. Very well put.

    I agree that we are receiving the fruits of our investments.

    I believe that this is still a day by day issue and that we must remain focused to the compentency problems.

    None of us can change the practice of deploying "warm bodies" other than not working for the companies that do this repeatedly.

    From my latest assignment, there sure seems to be a shortage of competent adjusters. And I don't know why.
    Larry D Hardin
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    Ray Hall
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    12/18/2008 9:52 PM
    If we put more pressure on the vendors to be more ytansparent with us before we deploy. the real adjusters will always be in demand. Ask about pay FIRST and you will weed aut about 50% of the vendors. Then hard question 2.3 and so forth. Never deploy for a vendor UNLESS thery give you the cell phone number of three adjusters now deployed for that vendor NOW or the last big storm. This will purge many of the incompetant vendors who hire warm bodies.. The adjusters who have nothing to hide will be happy to post how many storm seasons they have and we get a handle on the real adjusters. We have to police our self. When you work for a vendors that has a good file review program, EVER file shpuld go thtough. please post those venders on this site and we will all be able to work for a top vendors and not that many exist.
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