Social Links

Twitter Facebook

GCSearch

 

About the Article Channel

As we complete the change over that we have been working on for the last two years (between assignments) we will move past articles to this page.  If you have an account and have a flare for writing and wish to write an article just login and you will see a link below titled "Create Article".  Also if you wish to add comments to the articles you will need to login first.

Sponsors

CustomToolBelt.com

Adjusting Articles

Current Articles | Archives | Search

Friday, February 16, 2007
They don't just hand you the keys.
By Roy @ 9:52 PM :: 39189 Views :: 1 Comments :: Article Rating
 

This article comes from a forum post that was made by rass3742 on 9/12/2006

One thing I’ve noticed is the incessant struggle between newbies and veterans of our industry, as they scrimmage to identify the paradigm of CAT adjusting.  As a veteran of claims adjusting myself, I have taken the long road here and know that I am better for it.

I have just recently become “active” in reading and posting comments; as such, I hope I am not breaking the rules of CADO by bringing the bulk of a post I already made into this thread.  I just think it’s a topic at the front of so many minds here that it might be of interest as its own discussion.

What I’ve been seeing, in a lot of the posts in the CADO community, are seasoned adjusters who are struggling with the seemingly never-ending complaints of start-up adjusters who aren't being handed a living on a silver platter.

Understanding that all things are relative is the first step to getting a grasp on others' opinions.  In the opinion of a person wanting to get into the industry, they are grasping at any training/experience they can, so they will be employable; but they can’t understand why claims managers aren’t calling them.  At the same time, the seasoned adjusters (which eventually become those claims managers) are remembering everything they went through to get where they are: the years of adjusting claims; interacting with other insurance departments and outside customers like underwriting (personal lines and commercial lines), loss control, legal (appraisals, arbitrations, mediations, lawsuits), agents, experts (contractors, engineers, attorneys, accountants), public adjusters, insurance commissioners; and the hours and hours of researching policies and legal decisions, reviewing PILR (Property Insurance Loss Register) decisions and performing peer-review, to determine if their claim is covered.  There are also numerous adjusting theories/tasks to consider like depreciation/betterment; co-insurance; under insurance; estoppel; proximate cause; concurrent causation; ensuing damages; cause & origin; fraud; insurable interest; other insurance; existing damage; prior losses; definitions; deductibles; care, custody & control; statutory provisions; obsolescence; detrimental reliance; mitigation; subrogation/salvage; loss settlement and loss payment; inherent vice; consequential losses; ordinance or law; limits and sub-limits of liability; Replacement Cost v Actual Cash Value; exclusions; Waivers; Reservations of Rights letters; claimant motivation; bad faith; errors & omissions; fluid pricing; fair/unfair claims practices; fiduciary duties; moral hazard and morale hazard; litigation management (yes, it’s too late to start thinking of this after the suit has been filed); alternate dispute resolution; ambiguous policy wording; proper investigation; prompt reporting; reserving; consumer protection; loss site safety (for the adjuster, the insured and the public); as well as many others. 

There are more components to a claim than just damages.  There’s an old industry acronym: D.I.C.E.  It stands for

Declarations
Insuring agreement
Conditions
Exclusions

Those are the four main components of an insurance policy.  Did you see Damages in there?  No.  Now don't get me wrong - damages are obviously an important part to resolving a claim, but not until the items listed above have been considered.  And failing to do so will trip up an adjuster quicker than his own untied shoelaces.

The claims managers inherently look at claims with far more insight than just banging out a bid for some roof shingles and wet drywall.  But when they review their list of available candidates, they realize the huge influx of inexperienced adjusters.  Since they are charged with a fiduciary responsibility to the carrier, they have to carefully consider those they bring into their employ.

There is a lot more to hiring adjusters than just finding people that want to become an adjuster, depending on the circumstances.  If two or three large storms hit within a few weeks, everyone works; problem is, we haven’t seen that this year.  But until that happens, not so.  I think what has happened is that due to the explosive nature of the last two CAT seasons, a lot of people outside of, but near, the industry (contractors, building consultants, etc.) have caught the bug.  So now supply and demand shows up, from another angle.  All of a sudden, there are “boot camps” and “adjuster crash courses” falling from the sky.  Now all of the guys and gals who think adjusting is an easy buck line up to give their hard earned money to these people, with the hopes for a big payoff.  That’s when the next example of supply and demand kicks in; now there’s hundreds, if not thousands, of new adjusters who have passed their crash course and their on-line state licensing test and all want to go to work tomorrow.  In a year like ’05, you bet, most of them are being given claim files; but in a lean year they’re not at the top of anyone’s list.

Now, for the newbies in the crowd….if we’re talking about CAT work, my last few paragraphs address it.  If, on the other hand, you’re talking strictly about an entry-level position in the industry, with a mainstream carrier, I would encourage you to go full-steam ahead.  Put out resumes that show you’re looking for an entry level/trainee position.  There are many carriers that prefer trainees so they don’t have to “deprogram” them.  Then be willing to spend the first month or two reading policies and doing correspondence courses before being given your first claim.  As the claims start coming, they will get more difficult and challenging and before you know it you’ll have two years under your belt and will have dealt with issues and theories you never thought of; you’ll also be far more prepared to jump into the CAT arena and really make a difference, for yourself and your insured.

If you decide you want to be a Firefighter today, you won’t be driving the big red truck tomorrow; they don’t just hand you the keys.

>>> Click here to visit the thread in the forum archive. The thread contains 67 replies. <<<<

Rating
Comments
comment By Krrish Group @ Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:58 AM
I found your website perfect for my needs. It contains wonderful and helpful posts. I have read most of them and learned a lot from them.
Regards,
Furnished Apartment In Ncr
Krrish

Only registered users may post comments.

Old Articles



Posted:2004/11/26
Last Update:2004/11/26
Title:Cat Adjusting as a Profession (Is It For Me?)
Original Date:Friday, November 26, 2004
Source:Gary White
Summary:My name is Gary White and I am a second generation insurance adjuster. My Dad was with GAB for 26 years before he and a number of "old time" adjusters decided to open up their own shop and leave GAB which had used their talent for an unbelievable small amount of income with a pittance for a per diem. Dad was gone about 3 or 4 times a year for 8 weeks straight working catastrophes and then supervising same. As a kid, I really missed all the times Dad was not home for my ball games, scouting activities and just for his wisdom.
Source URL:
Article:

My son is now ready to go to college away from home and excluding approximately 21 months in an attempt to try something different in my life as a "financial planner", I have been adjusting, supervising or investigating claims for almost 27 years. By the way, I have worked my share of hail, wind, tornado and hurricane cats for other carriers so I know from whence I speak. Even during the time while I was trying to become a "financial planner", I supplemented my income with adjusting temp jobs and contract adjusting work.

Well, here I am at age 50 and have gone back to work for another insurance Company making $14,000 less than when I left my previous employer whose name will go unknown, but which is rapidly becoming defunct due to acquiring another major carrier which did go defunct.

I have asked myself whether or not I would really want to become a Cat Adjuster, which I understand to be politically correct is considered a Catastrophe Specialist. This has come about from talking to a local roofer who commented about this independent adjusting company which solely worked Cats. I was advised that this company had a certain number of claims they wanted you to work daily and the pay seemed astronomical. I contacted this company, after they had sent out some information, and one of the owners commented (in an non-too-excited fashion) that there were no promises about the quantity of work, length of time on the job, etc. He did advise that I would be required to go to a particular school for certification, become licensed in a number of states, provide all my own equipment and be ready to go anytime and anywhere demanded. I recall this was once called indentured servitude. However, in my own way of thinking and using the "glass is half full" mentality, I quipped that this must be somewhat lucrative or no one would work cats as an independent contractor. The response was a surly, "yeah you are probably right. Some of our adjusters who are dedicated solely to us make six figures a year gross. Some adjusters work for us and anyone else who will hire them."

Another independent adjusting company was contacted by an on-line resume (which I felt was not too shabby-not to brag); and, when nothing was heard in a week, a follow up by e-mail was sent commenting on other attributes I had which might be beneficial to their operation. This particular operation had related how they wanted professional adjusters commenting on how they wanted their adjusters to dress and conduct themselves. They remarked at how different they were from the other Cat Adjusting operations. Although this level of professionalism was addressed, I am wondering how professional this company is since it has not provided any type of response to my inquiries?

Lastly, I have viewed your Web Site and note that I cannot locate much, if anything about what the rigors of the job are really like, what type of equipment do you really need, how long Cat adjusters are away from their families and what is a realistic income to be derived from this work. Are these items deep dark secrets? Please note that I am not trying to be sarcastic, but all my impressions over the last two weeks in trying to gain information about how to enter the world of Cat adjusting as a profession has been less than educational and somewhat mysterious.

Now you all probably won't publish this article for what I have said and am about to say, but maybe the impression of the Cat Adjuster by the general adjusting populace (i.e.) persons actually employed by GAB, Crawford, etc. and staff adjusters (like myself) have about this profession. First, the Cat adjuster is not overly well trained and is not a professional. They do the work on an overload basis which we are not able to get to (making them a necessary evil) and then go back to some other employment (I was aware of teachers who did this type of work as a summer job). Secondly, although there were some Cat adjusters who appeared to be neat and well kept, the general impression I had of most were people who had just gotten out of prison or off the farm because of their course mannerisms, speech, and dress. Thirdly, the inexperience factor regarding the application of insurance caused a lot of headaches for the employed independent or staff adjuster as claims were overpaid and damages which did not result from a peril but were caused by deterioration or other non-covered causes (especially hail storms) were paid. Cat adjusters were renown for coming in and paying anything and everything causing major "neighboritis".

Now, why do I want to become a Cat adjuster after making all these apparent disparaging remarks? First, I am tired of working for the "man", being second guessed by supervisors with minimal experience, completing meaningless reports, bean counting for some actuary and making a pittance for my hard work. (Has anyone of you felt the same way? Secondly, I actually believe I could have more time to spend with my family doing this type of work on a full time basis. Lastly, I believe that my professionalism (and the professionalism as noted in your organization) might help "raise the bar" in this line of endeavor.

It is hoped that my comments "from an outsider" and an interested party, might be interesting. If not, I tried. Best luck to all of you!

Sincerely, Gary W. White, SCLA, CFE

CREDENTIALS: 

  • IIA (Certificate in General Insurance)

  • SCLA (Senior Claim Law Associate) Property, Liability, WC & Fraud Law

  • CFE (Certified Fraud Examiner) 

  • B.S. Language Arts minor in Business (University of Kansas)

  • Major Catastrophe Loss Team (two companies)

  • Boiler and Machinery School

  • GAB Schools (Various)

  • Claim Supervisor (Multi-Line with three major stock carriers)

  • SIU (Special Claim Investigator) 4 years.

  • Currently enrolled in AIC (yeah, I know nobody really wants to do this however they finally made the tests (multiple guess)!! They tell me this designation is "really important"!?

  • April 1973--Adjuster Trainee with GAB May 2000--Staff Field Adjuster for a well known carrier

Back

Lastest Articles

Analog Adjusting in a Digital World by Jack Gibson
Posted: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - Comments: 0
IKE LOSSES MAY PUT A MAJOR STRAIN ON TWIA by Roy Estes
Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - Comments: 1
Comparative Performance of EPDM As Protection Against Hail Damage by host
Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - Comments: 1
Common Estimating Errors by host
Posted: Friday, February 29, 2008 - Comments: 0
Catadjusting and Crisis Intervention by Medulus
Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007 - Comments: 2
View From the Slough, Too - The Art and Science of Branch Assist by Medulus
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - Comments: 6
Do it right the first time and reduce re-opens by host
Posted: Saturday, March 31, 2007 - Comments: 1
Ladder Safety by host
Posted: Friday, March 30, 2007 - Comments: 2
They don't just hand you the keys. by host
Posted: Friday, February 16, 2007 - Comments: 1
Where Has All he Adjuster "Professional" Training Gone? by host
Posted: Friday, December 29, 2006 - Comments: 0

Ads Sky

Copyright 1995-2012 by CatAdjuster.org Adjuster to Adjuster Terms Of Use Privacy Statement